What Don’t We Know About Superman’s Movie Return?

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What <i>Don’t</i> We Know About Superman’s Movie Return?  

So, now we know that Zack Snyder will be directing the new Superman movie, we know that David Goyer has written the script, and we know that General Zod is heavily rumored to be the villain. So why does it still feel as if we need to know more?

It’s odd to feel as if there’s a lot about the Superman reboot that’s being kept secret; in addition to everything listed above, there’s also a plot logline floating around – Clark Kent travels the world as a journalist, deciding whether or not to become Superman – that many have pegged to mean that the movie will reflect Mark Waid’s wonderful, overlooked Superman: Birthright comic in some way, even if it sounds more like Smallville: The International Edition to me. But it does; for whatever reason, the Superman movie still feels like something we’re being kept from, in some way… I don’t know if it’s that we’re so used to knowing everything about movies in advance from spoilers, teaser trailers and casting announcements, or that Superman in particular inspires such trepidation and anxiety out of fear that it’ll be done “wrong” (See: Superman IV: The Quest For Peace or, for some, Superman Returns, although I’m one of the few who likes that movie… Not to mention any of the unmade Superman movies that were developed in between the two).

But short of everyone being able to read Goyer’s script – already being described as “a mess”, of course – or having some Kryptonian supercomputer that shows them the future, what else is there to know about the movie? There hasn’t been any casting done, as far as anyone knows, nor has Snyder even started work on the movie (and he isn’t expected to until his Sucker Punch is completely finished), so… don’t we actually already know everything that there is to know already? It’s almost not even worth speculating about, because right now, there’s not anything to really speculate on that isn’t… well, completely speculative. For all we know, Snyder is going to CGI motioncap all of the characters on performances from William Shatner and Betty White (Now, there‘s a rumor I want to see picked up on Ain’t It Cool).

I mean: Yes, I’m excited and nervous about how the movie is going to turn out, as well. I love Superman as a character, and I want to be able to love his movies, as well. Snyder makes me nervous as the choice of director based on his previous movies, but, so what? Maybe this is the one where it’ll all come together for me; I won’t even be able to guess how true that’ll end up being until we know more about the movie, though, and right now, there just isn’t any more to know. So, maybe it’s time to stop thinking about the thing until someone’s willing to give us some more facts – or, at least, well-sourced rumors – because, otherwise? We’ll be sick of the movie before the movie’s even been made.

  • http://twitter.com/MichaelSacal Michael Sacal

    Who knows.

    Can you talk a little about why you left Superman and the circumstances under which that happened?

    JB: DC hired me to revamp Superman, and then immediately chickened out. They backed off at the first whiff of fan disapproval, which came months before anyone had actually seen the work. During the whole two years I was on the project, although nothing happened that was not approved by DC editorial, there was no conscious support. They even continued to license the “previous” Superman. At one point, Dick Giordano said “You have to realize there are now two Supermen — the one you do and the one we license.” Seemed counter-productive, to say the least, since far more people saw the licensed material. After two years of this nonsense, I was just worn down. The fun was gone. (from http://www.comicbookresources.com/features/byrne/)

    http://www.byrnerobotics.com/FAQ/listing.asp?ID=3&T1=Questions+about+Aborted+Storylines

  • http://twitter.com/MichaelSacal Michael Sacal

    http://smallville.wikia.com/wiki/Jor-El_%28Kryptonian%29

    Scroll all the way down to the section labeled “Later Years” and you'll see an image of Jor-El and Lara's placing Kal-El on the ship. The color of their sleeves seems to be in line with Birthright, but following that publication's failure the producers clearly went in a different direction.

  • http://twitter.com/MichaelSacal Michael Sacal

    I'll say this:

    Warner Brothers already once before adapted one aspects of Birthright from the comics to live-action (i.e. the look of Jor-El and Lara's clothing as seen in an episode of Smallville), but soon thereafter they did a 180 and went back to the time-tested aesthetics from the Donner movie.

    Given that they already shown that they don't care about BR that much to support it in other media, like the TV show, how likely are the odds that they would use any of it for the upcoming movie?

    In Birthright Kryptonians look like giant action figures. Can anyone seriously see Nolan being involved with an adaptation of Superman that has such simplistic and outdated aesthetics? Same goes for Secret Origin, in which Kryptonian attire looks like cheap superhero costumes.

  • admiralmattbar

    I liked Superman Returns too. What's with all the haters?

  • http://twitter.com/MichaelSacal Michael Sacal

    I liked Returns as well. I specially liked the scene with the airplane, and liked the idea of Superman and Lois having a kid together.

    Some of the execution regarding that plot point was meh, but the idea is valid.

    Not a hoax, not a dream, and not an imaginary story. Love it or hate it, Superman has a son.

  • Y Lu

    Don't know if you're still reading, but in case you are…

    Yeah, I know about the interesting path that led Wolfman to working on the show. He even has an amusing anecdote about how the TV folks had no idea he worked on the comic and were surprised that he already knew Jenette Kahn when they tried to introduce him to her during one meeting. My point was that him being there as main story editor really gave the pre-Crisis changes a leg up in getting incorporated in the show. It's not comparable to Birthright's situation.

    Many of those Bronze/Silver Age or MoS elements used in Smallville are ones shared in common with Birthright. (That's as to be expected, as Waid was deliberately trying his best to incorporate the best of all worlds; unlike certain other writers, he wasn't so arrogant as to desire to throw the baby out with the bathwater.) How exactly do you tease out what was a BR influence and what wasn't? By your logic, LOIS & CLARK's use of Clark Kent as the real identity/Superman as the disguise wouldn't count as a MoS contribution because it first came from the George Reaves show. (In reality it's from neither. According to the show head's commentary on the DVDs, she thought up the idea independently.)

    Plot and character aren't as easy to separate as you make it out to be. Metallo's a character, but his debut storyline — of a scientist turning someone into an android and inserting a Kryptonite power core into them, only for the robot to betray the creator, then try to kill Superman using the power core — is the same as his original pre-Crisis debut. That's plot. The two stories are only the same when reduced to their generalities, but of course the same goes for Birthright Clark's travels around the world and pre-BR Clark's.

  • Y Lu

    No other media ever adopted the visual aesthetics of Byrne's Krypton (which is, I must say, my favorite visual depiction of Krypton), yet they were still able to incorporate other elements of his version of Superman. Even if Nolan and co. didn't want to use the look of BR or SO's Kryptons (which, after all, weren't designed for the film medium), it would still be perfectly possible for them to incorporate other aspects of those reboots.

  • http://twitter.com/MichaelSacal Michael Sacal

    You do know that Byrne credited the George Reeves show as an influence on the MoS reboot, specifically his portrayal of Clark, right?

    You should also take into consideration that the reason the name of the show was “The New Adventures of Superman” is because it was, basically, a new version of the old show, hence the “new”.

    That said, the show was clearly based on the MoS reboot, from Clark coming first, to the Kents being alive, to the use of Cat Grant, and the transformation of Luthor into a metropolis mogul.

    I would recomend to you that you buy this http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=50744565482%201%20DIRECT

    It has a one-page introduction by Byrne in which he details the effect Superman had on him, when he first became aware of the show, what he thought went wrong with the concept that it required a reboot, etc, etc,… it’s the kind of thing that is missing from Birthright.

    It’s called “Superman: A Personal View by John Byrne”, it’s a one-page intro printed on the interior back cover of the comic.

    See, Byrne didn’t wait for the trade to list his influences, or speak his mind, like Waid did. He put it out there from the start…. then again, unlike Waid, the purpose of his project was clear from the on-set. It didn’t start as one thing and then turned into another, like Birthright did.

  • http://twitter.com/MichaelSacal Michael Sacal

    What is left in BR that doesn’t originate in other media or comics?

    Lex being obsessed with aliens and wanting to move to Krypton?

    A giant spider?

    A gun salesman posing as a Kryptonian general?

    Can you list anything in BR that didn’t originate elsewhere, that came from Waid and ONLY Waid which could be used in the new movie?

  • Guest

    Enough of Zod. Figure out something new for crying out loud. It’s been done to death, and it’s BOOOORING!

    If they want a good ‘Begins’ story use some of the ideas from the first story arch from Superman Confidential. The idea of Supes freaking out in lava because it’s not killing him, but he doesn’t know what to do was pretty interesting.

  • http://twitter.com/MichaelSacal Michael Sacal

    Talking Kryptonite, urgh…. pass.