What The Hulk Means To Marvel TV

The news that Marvel is making a television series out of The Incredible Hulk yet again is one of those strange things that, on the face of it, seems to be one thing, and then unfolds into something quite different altogether. Follow me down the overanalysis rabbit hole, why don’t you?

I can’t help but feel that announcing Hulk as the first of Marvel TV’s projects – although the news was accompanied by the announcement of a Cloak & Dagger series for ABC Family – is a misstep for the company disguised as a great idea. Sure, it’s the Hulk, everyone knows the character and he’s had a successful television series before, in the 1970s, but… the Hulk? Really? That guy who’s been in two movies that have been relative flops? That guy who can’t seem to hold onto a lead actor from movie to movie? That Hulk?

There’s a chance that launching with the Hulk will send an unspoken message to audiences, that the character can’t carry a movie but can handle television – Implying that both the character and the medium is, somehow, second-rate compared the movie side of things (A feeling that, it has to be said, Marvel and Disney may share. After all, movies are likely to make more money), instantly devaluing both the Hulk series and Marvel TV in general. It’s not necessarily true; there are characters that work better in the longform television model than the short, “large” story model of movies, and I’d argue that the Hulk is probably one of those, considering his lack of identifiable “core” story or, for that matter, core villains (I think the Hulk actually has a great line-up of villains, but none well-known to the mainstream public). But nonetheless, there’s a sense of the Hulk being demoted with this television series, coupled with a sense of Marvel trying, desperately, to make the character fit with the general public. He’s like the Fetch of the Marvel Universe.

(Yes, Mean Girls references. Always a good idea.)

There’s also something else surprising about the Hulk news: It means that the TV shows probably won’t be part of the movie continuity. True, there’s a small chance that somehow the TV series will spin out of The Avengers movie, but it seems unlikely (Even if it was the plan, what would the odds be that Mark Ruffalo would sign on for an ABC television series as Bruce Banner?). It makes some sense, I guess; what are the odds that Disney would be fine with cross-continuity between movies and television, considering the discrepancy in international distribution for both? The more interesting question is, will there be a separate television continuity for all the various series, on all the different channels? It’s possible – especially if the television division keeps things as small and tight as has been discussed in the past, and also keeps everything in the larger ABC/ABC Family/Disney corporate family to make crossovers easier – but not definite, and there’s something about the Hulk and Cloak & Dagger announcements that make me feel it’s somehow less likely, for reasons I can’t put my finger on.

So, Marvel’s TV plan seems to be… Actually, I’m not sure. I’m tempted to say “misguided and backwards looking,” if only because of the use of the somewhat-tainted Hulk, but who’s to say that smarter heads than mine won’t make it work? But I admit it: I’m underwhelmed by the choice of the first two series, even if I couldn’t say what I would’ve preferred. Here’s hoping that the secret really does end up being all about the execution.

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  • Twin1todd

    I think cross continuity between a tv show and movies are a perfect idea.You could tell the side stories that movies dont have time for and then melc those into a climactic movie.Tell the stories of HUlk,Hawkeye,Ant-Man,Wasp and others that wolud flesh out a movie better.It wont happen,but it is a great idea.

  • percane

    if ang lee's hulk hadn't been made, ed norton's hulk would have done better i think. i know a lot of people that didn't see the second one in the theater specifically because they hated the first one

  • http://twitter.com/aeghast [A]

    ..and I call them 'poor sacks' – Ang Lee's HULK is great.

  • JTRobin

    “There’s a chance that launching with the Hulk will send an unspoken message to audiences, that the character can’t carry a movie but can handle television.” That's already implicit by your comments in the previous paragraph, why state the obvious again? The truth is, the Hulk has already proven to be a successful television property, and so it represents a relatively “safe” move on Marvel's part, not “desperate”.

    Now Cloak and Dagger on ABF family? That does mystify me…

  • Legion

    You know, I think there is a much simpler reason for why Hulk is first announced, and indeed, why it's head to TV again and that is by looking at who is in charge of Marvel TV….the guy who is a self confessed Hulk mark and a recent writer for the series, our old friend, Jeph Loeb.

  • Chris Arrant

    I'm with you Graeme — the announcement of a Hulk TV following the summer acquisition of movie star Mark Ruffalo to star in the AVENGERS movie reads to me as a bifurication of the concept and also an admission that the Hulk isn't big enough to support his own movie, but carries enough to qualify for a TV series.

    Since I don't see Ruffalo descending into TV, It has to be two seperate continuities. While I agree with Marvel's strategy of testing out new heroes to kids growing up via cartoons, this seems like a backasswards way.

    But say they do it — and they can get over the onus of TV being a downgrade from movies, what could the Hulk do? Perhaps a Smallville style expansion of the Hulk's origin? That's one way to deal with the special effects budget, as well as indoctrinate the public on the Hulk's origin for payoff down the road in movies… I don't know.

    IMHO thoguh the Hulk concept doesn't fit with the idea of serialized television, even if they go back to the Old TV chestnut or the Bruce Jones' comics. I figured for TV they would take 2nd or 3rd tier heroes and do them as TV series with the chance for cameos in movies.

    Speaking of failed superhero movies, I could DAREDEVIL working as a TV series.

  • Xsikal

    If you say so… I thought it was a jumbled mess.

  • Xsikal

    I think C&D is a great idea. On ABC Family, there won't be as much of a ratings crunch, so the show will have time to grow.

  • http://twitter.com/drunkjack00 Jack Derunk

    Or it could mean that the Hulk is better suited to a serial format without the compression of a movie. The original Incredible Hulk was a great TV show. People LOVE that show. Why not try it again?
    I dispute your premise that movies are inherently better than television. Especially when it comes to super hero stories, which are rooted in serial storytelling. The stories don't end like a movie has to, they're not finite novels, they're sprawling and endless.

    Personally, that's what I love abut those formats.

  • aragorn

    Does anybody else think that Daredevil would br perfect for TV? They wouldn't need a huge effects budget, and the stories, at least the last few years, are perfect for cable TV.

  • Mwedmer

    Yes, I think Daredevil should have been the first announcement out of the gate. They could have told his origin longform through flashbacks that tie to the current storyline or a moment within an episode where past wisdom can help him out. ala LOST.

    The second Hulk film was not a flop by any sense of the word. It made a profit. But the Ang Lee Hulk did turn away many people.

    I feel the Hulk is far better suited to TV. You can tell a lot of story in 2 hours, so every film would be a Two hour chase film.

    The TV show would be similar, but you could build plotlines over the course of a season and have multiple ones come together. they could even have whole episodes where the Hulk is not in them.

    The Hulk is a monster in fugitive mode so the TV version would be better all around.

    Cloak and Dagger on ABC Family is another story. Based on their origins, I cannot see how they could do the story of two teens who were abducted by Drug runners and experimented on leading them to seek revenge can work on that channel.

    Or Dagger's costume for that matter.

  • multispaz

    I hate saying this but it seems to be another case of let’s wait and see.

    Obviously Graeme has already addressed one half of the Hulk David or Bruce Banner mystery. Who will play the Banner? No one expects Bana, Norton, or Ruffulo. Yet actors do migrate back to TV when they need to. I’ll let someelse define “need to” since so many define this as a step down or back. I do not agree. They started on the big screen yet Gary Sinese, Mary-Louise Parker, and Anna Paquin are great on TV. Terrance Howard will be on TV this season as well.

    Here’s the other half of the Hulk mystery? Who or what will play the Hulk. Though steroids have made many men muscle monsters since Lou Ferrigno, I don’t think audiences will be happy with anything less than a mountain of a man. Meaning can we expect CGI or animatronix on TV as well?

  • Bass Guitar Hero

    Here's the thing about “ABC Family”–it's just a name that ABC is legally stuck with when they bought the network (it's a long silly story, but it involves Pat Robertson, who originally owned it decades ago).

    But ABC Family truthfully is no more “family friendly” than the CW network is. ABC Family airs TV-14 rated programs regularly and CLOAK & DAGGER–with Dagger's sexy outfit as depicted in the comics–would actually be a perfect fit there as a prime-time show that skews towards an older audience. Since becoming ABC Family, the network has actually come under fire from some groups for now airing more and more programs and movies with strong language, violence, and mild sexual content.

  • Ken

    I think a TV series based on Darkhawk that has a Smallville feel to it would be rather awesome. I also think that Moon Knight would be a great series for a station like Starz or Showcase.

  • Ken

    Ang Lee's Hulk WAS great up to the last twenty minutes. It would've been nice if they found a way to wrap it up after his San Francisco showdown. That last battle with his daddy was a CGI mess. You couldn't follow it at all. It reminded me of the Hell battle in Spawn. That was SO hard to follow!

  • Ken

    It would be great but unfortunately, Fox holds the right to Daredevil, Elektra and the rest of the DD universe.

  • fallenfate

    The fact is that, despite the naysayers and those who claim that the Hulk movies did not do well, the Hulk IS a viable property both in movies and TV. I find myself wondering why this article isn't complaining or wondering about the fact that DC just announced a new Superman movie, for example, when there is already a TV series with the characters in the form of Smallville. Isn't that saying the same thing? The Ang Lee Hulk did $132,177,234 domestically on a budget of $132 million, so while it didn't make its budget back domestically, it certainly did several times that when you consider international box office as well as DVD sales. The Norton Hulk did $134,806,913 and had a total of 263,427,551 counting international grosses on a budget of $150 million. If you include DVD sales, that is not a flop by any means…

  • Ken

    Slightly off topic but I think it'd be great if Robert Kirkman makes Invinicible into a TV series if The Walking Dead is successful.

    Oh, and I can't wait for Powers! :)

  • VanGoghX

    I second that. Preferred it to Norton's Hulk.

  • http://superherolegacy.com Superhero Legacy

    Maybe this is all Disney can do because Sony, Fox, and Paramount still have contracts for the big movies (Avengers, Spider-Man, and X-Men). And I suppose the Hulk series was the most successful live-action superhero series to date (not counting Smallville), so they figured they could capitalize on that success.

  • Sir Manley Johnson

    Is there still a prejudice that “Movies” are superior to “TV”? What about the Sopranos, Battlestar Galactica, Buffy the Vampire Slayer even, I don't think TV is the damning label you make it out to be,Indeed Smallville did it right and Walking Dead is shambling our way.

  • Sir Manley Johnson

    Is there still a prejudice that “Movies” are superior to “TV”? What about the Sopranos, Battlestar Galactica, Buffy the Vampire Slayer even, I don't think TV is the damning label you make it out to be,Indeed Smallville did it right and Walking Dead is shambling our way.

  • Mr. M

    I've thought for years that Adam Strange could make a great tv series. Yes, I know that it's a DC property and we're talking about Marvel, I just wanted to throw it out there.

  • demoncat_4

    actully think marvel is figuring to start their tv conquest by using one of the big guns they have the rights too plus figuring out that some characters like the hulk are better done as a tv series then a movie. since with a tv series the hulk can be allowed more time to try and connect with new viewers plus also a tv show will allow the hulks bad guys to be used better .

  • percane

    movie stars migrating to TV has become a much bigger trend than it used to be, not even based on “need”
    lawrence fishburn, tim roth, glenn close, are 3 i can think of who migrated without a serious TV history behind them
    maybe mark ruffalo is a small enough fish that they can get him to migrate.

  • percane

    i liked ang lee's hulk, but many of my friends didn't. my personal opinion is that the way lee tried to divide up the screen to make it look like comic panels was a mistake. a huge part of watching a movie like the hulk is the “suspension of disbelief” when you make the audience shift their focus between multiple images it draws them out of the film, and that disconnection makes any flaws seem that much greater

  • Mike-EL

    Maybe another character would be a better choice to start things off, but I don't think any of the points here are relevant. TV has been better than cinema for 10 years, and the best version of the Hulk is the TV adaptation with Bill Bixby.

    That being said, I don't trust any decision Jeph Loeb makes, because his writing is atrocious.

  • Cmozer2635

    Wouldn't mind a Hulk TV series. Cloak & Dagger??? Don't think too many non-comic fans would tune in. Shoot…i've collected all of C & D's series and even i don't think it'll be good.

  • Gennndy_Tartovksy

    so whos She Hulk? If they even go in this direction? Kristen Stewart..she ain't ripped..a CGI creation?

  • multispaz

    Thanks for the reminder. I forgot all of those actors until you spoke their names. No, this transition is not the “demotion” it used to be.

    I'd like to think of Ruffalo as a small fish but he's so popular he hasn't had any time off in years, and he may even have a backlog of films. So a transition to TV might even be a break of sorts.

  • multispaz

    This is exactly why I wish the Fantastic Four was produced for TV. After two decent attempts they still haven't caught on at theaters. I really do not need to see a reboot as much as I would like to see someone figure out how to sell this group.

  • http://joecooler2u.wordpress.com Joecooler2u

    The picture of Lou says it all as far as why the TV show did better than the movies as far as a fanbase goes. The CGI versions in the movies were hard to relate to even though the whole premise is so far away from our known world to begin with. I preferred the 2nd one which resembled the comics more. The simple fact is that any CGI rendering of Hulk will look like a CGI model. No way around it other than getting a huge body-builder like Lou to play the part. The simple fact is that for the Hulk to work you need a perfect marriage of Hulk and Banner and that's what takes us back to the TV series. I thought Ed Norton and the Incredible Hulk worked as far as looks and characterization. There's just something missing in the movies that TV is able to capture. I like the idea of a roaming Bruce Banner (or David) trying to find peace, helping strangers, but ultimately moving on every episode. With today's effects they could take us in new places that the old series never could, but can they recapture the heart and essence of the original series? I don't know.

    Joe Huber

  • Jemurr

    This is a really stupid article. You're assuming a whole lot, and you know what happens when you assume. The Hulk movies weren't hugely successful but they weren't flops. A Hulk TV show is a decent idea because there already was a successful show in the past that regular people are familiar with. How do you know it won't be in movie continuity? Any time a company puts out a product they do so with the hopes it will be successful. Disney and Marvel are not going to purposely do something that will “instantly devaluing both the Hulk series and Marvel TV in general.”

    “So, Marvel’s TV plan seems to be… Actually, I’m not sure.” You're right about that, you don't know. I hate it when every time something is announced nerds make rash assumptions and say xyx will happen when really they can't possibly know.

  • Shaun

    Not me… I greatly preferred Norton's Hulk. The story was solid, it established Hulk as part of the shared Marvel movie universe, I thought Norton was great, Richard Hurt was exactly the way I expected Gen. Ross to be, and Hulk looked much better in that film than in Ang Lee's movie.

    Oh, and there was no Nick Nolte goofiness, comic panels, or Hulk poodles in the Norton film.

    Anyhow, neither film did poorly, exactly, although the Lee film had a huge dropoff after a big opening. The Norton one did fairly well for itself, given that it had to overcome the disappointment of those who didn't like Lee's movie (I know people who skipped the Norton movie in theatres, thinking it was a sequel and not a reboot), and because it was sandwiched between Iron Man and The Dark Knight (not to mention Indiana Jones IV). I think it did pretty well on DVD as well.

    But, regardless of how well it did, I'm not sure Hulk as live TV is way to go. Can TV budgets give us satisfying villains and a CGI Hulk? Painting a guy green and having the character go from town to town, battling bullies and rednecks just isn't going to cut it this time around. Not tying in with movie continuity might be puzzling too. At the very least, if it's not Ruffalo in TV show then we've got yet ANOTHER guy playing Hulk now.

    I can think of other Marvel properties that might've made a better fit for TV. Runaways, for one. I think it might work better as a TV show than as a movie. Heroes For Hire too. If Disney had the rights at the moment, I think X-Men would work as a TV series. Maybe Moon Knight, if it were done for HBO.

  • Shaun

    Yeah… Daredevil could make for a great series too, in the right hands. Like my Moon Knight suggestion earlier, I'd say that needs to be an HBO series though.

  • Shaun

    I can understand people being nostalgic for the Bixby/Ferrigno show just because they grew up with it, but to say it's the “best” version? I'm guessing you're not counting any comics? Even so, I tried watching some episodes of the old show a couple of years ago and I can say it wasn't as good or fun as I thought back when I was about 8 or 9.

    Basic premise: Lonely drifter strolls into town, finds work (I'm sure people wish it were so easy to find a job today) and a place to sleep, gets invovled when some bullies/crooks/rednecks hassle Banner's employer or some other good people of the town, Banner gets the shit beaten out of him, Hulks out, clobbers the bad guys and saves the day. Banner leaves town, avoiding the drunk reporter on his trail, cue sad piano music. Rinse, later, repeat. You've seen one episode, you've pretty much seen 'em all.

    I did like some of the touches of the TV show that were incorporated into the Norton movie, however, especially the quick recap of the origin. That was great. I thought the Norton movie was really good, and that's (IMO) the best adaptation of Hulk we've gotten thus far.

    We agree on Loeb though… I liked his work once upon a time, but that was a long time ago. He's been terrible for years now.

  • Shaun

    People probably thought the same thing about Iron Man and Blade both being made into movies. Those turned out alright (just ignore the Blade TV show). In the right hands, it could be a good property.

    But, as others have noted, Loeb may not be “the right hands.”

  • Shaun

    I'm sorry to say it, but many of Graeme's articles here come of as half-baked and, well, “stupid.” This is right up there with his article about how it's “too late” for DC to ever succeed in turning its properties into movies. Even though the Batman franchise is (clearly) doing very well for itself, Nolan's guiding the Superman relaunch, and Green Lantern's on the way.

  • Sageshinigami

    It wasn't “stupid”. It needed a slightly better word choice. It's not that DC is “too late”, it's that they “took too freaking long”. Let me guide you towards a different way of looking at it, as well:

    - The Batman franchise is the only one DC has really made work in the past 30 years.

    - While Nolan is producer of the Superman movies, Superman is not Batman. Also, the director is Zack Snyder, a guy who tends to polarize people with his choice in direction.

    - Green Lantern's costume looks stupid. Sorry, but seeing them botch something (IMO) as simple as that is pretty concerning.

    If DC botches BOTH of those? Then they'll NEVER catch up to Marvel's movies.

    …Granted, I still think their comics are better, and they certainly punted Marvel right the heck out of the animated film division. And Batman: Arkham Asylum is actually one of those stupidly addicting games people won't shut up about. So they're doing good elsewhere?

  • Sageshinigami

    “IMHO thoguh the Hulk concept doesn't fit with the idea of serialized television,”

    He's a COMIC BOOK character! They're ALL serialized characters. There's not a single character in superhero comics that doesn't belong in serialized stories, because that's where they came from.

    People like the movies better because that's what we've been trained to think of as superior, but the truth is the only real thing keeping superheroes out of “motion” medium they belong in is budget.

    And what is with this obsession with continuity? So a couple Marvel films have a bit of crossover. It's neat, but you don't need to tie everything together–the comics already do that.

    I certainly don't want the television shows tied together into a huge ball of continuity, when if they're any good they'll run 100+ episodes.

    Works for films, but they only make one of those a year–their max goal is two a year, so even five years from now you'd only have a handful of films together.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/YJU6CYIVLUW5DMIRVH5PPQP4VE Hypestyle the Hype Man

    I would support any of these shows getting on the air, if handled properly.. My guess is the report is combining/confusing some of the titles, but I guess we'll see..

    Ka-Zar– hmm… setting it in an urban environment cuts down costs vs. a “Savage Land” setting, but Zabu's FX would be mighty expensive, I think.. (anyone see 10,000 BC?). And, does anyone remember the “Tarzan” update on the WB, lasted less than a season.. heh..

    Hulk- starring Mark Ruffalo or yet another new Banner? Hmm… and would they get a bodybuilder or use FX to create the Hulk this time? If the latter, then that would likely be very expensive for episodic TV.. I'm sure the name recognition will get potential networks/syndicators enthused right away, but all the above issues would have to be very carefully considered– Maybe She-Hulk might work with a female bodybuilder– ah..

    The Eternals– Hmm, My guess is that they wouldn't be wearing costumes most of the time.. possibly an analog to “Heroes”..

    Cloak and Dagger- I'm most excited about this.. I wish I was involved in the show.. This can be Marvel's “Smallville”.. they can cast some talented unknowns or near-knowns.. thematically the show can be a kind of super- “Mod Squad” without 'Pete' (Ty= Linc, Tandy= Julie)… The duo would be based out of a church/runaway shelter, they could be peer counselors during the day, and at night they stalk bad guys.. Father Delgado could be a known TV/Movie veteran.. to save money, they don't have to do supervillains every week, especially since C&D's early agenda was to target drug outfits & the Mob (maybe lift a Maggia boss from the comics or make up one)..

    this would be a chance to amp up/reboot Cloak's character development in particular, short-circuit some of the typical complaints about him..

    (and the show can feel free to film in Detroit.. tax credits, tax credits, tax credits)

  • multispaz

    Though I don’t want to bring up a previous Graeme weekend topics, you may have missed DC’s statements about its competition with Marvel. They said the quality of its properties is too high to gamble them on the competition with Marvel.

    All of their past live action entertainment have not been stellar, yet they are not going to spend the next 20 years reprocessing their properties as reboots and restarts.

    I think everyone gains due to that commitment.

  • Dgjulio

    Hulk doesn´t fit in movies because the terrible adaptations have had on the big screen when MARVEL respects the character's story will be a success box office

  • Not Harrison Ford

    Better than keeping the character out of the public's eye.

  • Greg

    The Hulk TV series is legendary, and no matter what your personal opinion might be of the recent movies, neither of them lost any money or made Hulk any less of a well-loved, world-wide house-hold name.

    I don't see what the problem is here, people would watch it, and the whole lone-wanderer thing, it's a classic set up for TV storytelling

    I gues I should know better by now than to keep wasting my time reading posts on this weird site I guess, it's basically just someone's blog expanded into an editorial/gossip site. No actual news. Doh.

  • AirDave

    I'm not so much worried about how or where a TV version of The Hulk will fit in to the grand scheme of continuity. In the classic Avengers comics, The Hulk was around maybe one or two issues before Cap and was gone and never really came back. If it's an Ultimate universe version of The Hulk, he could still be a fugitive.

    Between films and animated series, there's a whole host of different continuity.

    The bigger question is: will a new Hulk TV series suck? I like Eric Bana, but that Ang Lee Hulk movie flat out sucked. I actually liked Edward Norton's The Incredible Hulk. I think it suffers in comparison to Iron Man – it's a shame that it came out anywhere near Iron Man. The Hulk is a different kind of character.

    The Incredible Hulk on TV should come off something more like Fringe, or the first seasons of Heroes and Lost. Heroes and Lost suffered in later seasons.

  • Brian from Canada

    Mild sexual content would be a gross understatement. ABC Family's best known foursome at the moment involve bed-hopping collegiates (Greek), hidden sex (Make It Or Break It), a student-teacher relationship (Pretty Little Liars), and a knocked-up teen (Secret Life Of An American Teenager).

    ANY series based on a Marvel character would fit in there perfectly.

  • Brian From Canada

    Fantastic Four's biggest problem now would be comparisons with No Ordinary Family, which happens to be Disney-produced/broadcast if I recall correctly.

  • Brian from Canada

    Hey! I *LIKED* the Blade television series. Johns and company created a lot of room to expand the simple vampire mythology of the movie. It was just a few years ahead of its time; today's naval-gazing vampires fill the screens and airwaves (so much so that they're thinking of reviving Buffy!) that it would fit right in.

  • Brian from Canada

    This article makes waaaay too many assumptions — and wrong ones at that.

    Television works different from movies. Series need long-term viability in plot, setting and character, which is why even proven stars going from one series to another fail. Kelsey Grammar's failure last year in sitcom and Jimmy Smits' failure this year in drama prove that.

    And so do the superhero television series. For every series like Smallville, Batman or Wonder Woman that goes to multiple seasons, there's a Blade that only goes one — or, worse, a Tick or Spider-Man or Birds Of Prey that gets cancelled before the first season ends.

    Marvel's banking on the recognition for Hulk with the new series, both from the movies (including Avengers) and the television series of the past. It's far enough from No Ordinary Family that it can stand apart while still being close enough to make a superhero block sellable to advertisers. And Loeb worked on Smallville, so he knows the boundaries a fight-of-the-week series can establish, as well as ways to sidestep them.

    In terms of selling it for television, Hulk is the obvious choice — just as Wonder Woman is for Smallville after the colossal failures of Birds Of Prey (incomplete season), Aquaman (pilot) and the non-starters Supergirl, Green Arrow and Martian Manhunter.

    Cloak & Dagger would be a fit for ABC Family, and there are other characters in the Marvel stable, but going one series at a time and establishing it first is proper television practice. WB/CW's dramatic failures in that area underline that time and time again.

  • themaskedavenger

    we're speaking marvel continuity in their media properties at the same time that both 'avengers' and 'super hero squad' are airing on tv? really?

  • Mrschutte

    I like the idea of Cloak and Dagger being one of the first Marvel TV projects. It's progressive. A mixed couple. A black male and a white female (easily reimagined as latino or other ethno-minority.) With more of today's kids being agreeable to seeing such pairings, it makes sense. it's also a youth-oriented thing. Two kids fighting issues with drugs, gangs, street-level stuff and ON THEIR OWN. Every teenager feesl they are set against authority and the system. Ty and Tandy really embody that.

  • Zor-El of Argo

    I just hope they get an actor to play Hulk. The CGI Hulk from the movies was too over the top, and on a TV budget and schedule I doubt they could keep him from looking cartoonish. Lure someone away from the WWF to paint green. A pro-wrestler would make a fine Hulk, especially when paired with the right Banner.

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  • Guest

    A Runaways TV show would be awesome. With Joss Whedon at the helm.