In Defense Of The New Buffy

Sunday, November 28th, 2010 at 9:30am
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In Defense Of The New Buffy  

This week’s announcement of a new Buffy The Vampire Slayer movie without Joss Whedon may have set the internet aflame in upset, but… Is it wrong that I think it might be a good idea? Please don’t kill me.

I should start, I guess, by owning up to my own Whedon fandom: I liked the original Buffy movie, and was a massive fan of the TV series. Angel kind of passed me by until the third season – I tuned in occasionally, but it didn’t really gel for me – and pretty much missed Firefly until reruns, at which point I fell in love with it (Serenity, too). Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog was pretty great, but I tend to think of Dollhouse as a misstep that may have been interesting, but certainly wasn’t good. Does that mean that I am a hater? I can’t quite tell, to be honest, because I’m certainly cautious about the idea of a Whedon Avengers movie and find myself hoping for the best for this Whedon-less Buffy.

Here’s the thing: This new Buffy feels like, at the very worst, an easily-ignorable addition to the franchise. It doesn’t mean that Joss has been robbed of doing more Buffy; unless I’ve missed something somewhere, he’ll still be involved with the Dark Horse comics – being relaunched and expanded next year – and it’s not like there was another Buffy movie or television series he was involved in that has been killed as a result of this news. It just means that someone will be doing a different Buffy that really, honestly, can be ignored if you’re not into it.

(I know, I know; this is the counter-argument to my feeling that Caprica somehow lessens Battlestar Galactica in retrospect. I am a fickle, contradictory beast, what can I say?)

And is it really that wrong to be curious about what someone else can do with the ideas behind Buffy? The notion that monsters and demons and horror ideas can be used as stand-ins for the teenage experience is surely potent enough to stand up to multiple explorations by multiple people, and I’d be lying if I said that I wasn’t interested in seeing someone who’s actually been a teenage girl can bring to the whole “metaphor for teenage girldom” thing (Not to say that Joss couldn’t write teenage girls well, because – obviously, he could – but still). Am I sad that it’s going to be done as a reboot of something that ended less than ten years ago, and still exists in spin-offs and the hearts of fandom everywhere…? Well, yeah, to be honest – I’d much rather see a new idea than a rehash of an old one. But, to be cynical, any new idea would’ve just been branded a Buffy rip-off anyway, so at least this addresses the elephant in the room by… co-opting said elephant.

The oddest part of the whole thing – The part that, I think, catches a lot of folk off-guard – is that Whit Anderson, writer of the new movie, is a completely unknown quantity. No-one seems to know anything about her work, her style, her anything other than what appeared in her LA Times interview, and that brings with it all kinds of feelings for many people: What makes her the person to reboot this beloved franchise? Why is she so special? (A favorite comment from a disgruntled fan commented on the fact that the LA Times piece had such a large photo of her, as if the fact that she was attractive was enough to get her the job. Sadly, that’s not really the way Hollywood works, something I found out after years of expensive and ultimately useless plastic surgery). Admittedly, the fact that you can’t look at previous work and pull an opinion from that makes it so much easier to assume the worst, but I’m choosing to do the opposite: I’m going to hope that the only way an unknown writer gets a major studio to back such a potential nerdbomb as a Buffy reboot is by having an astonishingly good pitch that makes it worth all the hassle and ill will from fans who’d rather see the franchise dead than done without Joss.

I could be wrong. The end result might be a terrible, terrible thing that I’ll wish I could trade in for that amount of time and money back to use in similarly unproductive ways. But if that’s the case, then, screw it. I’ll just go to Netflix Streaming and watch “The Body” again, and think of happier times. Until then, though, I’m keeping fingers crossed and hoping that this reboot will mean more Buffy, and an introduction for all the people who never saw the show or read the comics or even knew she existed before. Once more, with feeling, you could say.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RQOIFTELPCV3XMEHA4I63S3DOE Kate

    This isn’t really news, though. A year ago, the Kuzuis said that they were going to make this movie without Joss. If I had known that they didn’t have a script, I would have been writing something and trying to get them to accept it. That’s all that Whit Anderson did. She, as a fan, wanted to make sure that the character was written well.

    Whether we agree with her view or not remains to be seen, but people are going to have to actually see the movie in order to make that decision.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RQOIFTELPCV3XMEHA4I63S3DOE Kate

    Because Kristy Swanson playing her originally means nothing at all, whatsoever?

  • Tushicous

    I kind of agree, I mean, I’m at least willing to wait and see before I judge the re-boot. I’d prefer if Joss was involved, but it can be it’s own stand-alone thing. Worse case scenario, it can’t be as bad as the Star Wars prequels.

  • Foxe92

    And I don’t think he DOES want it to, or else he would. Honestly, how hard would it really be?

    I love Joss. Well, I used to. But he has been getting on my nerves more and more over the past couple of years. I loved Dr. Horrible, and thought he was the most amazing man ever, but a few months later he sells his soul (back) to Fox to create Dollhouse–a show that could have been truly phenomenal if he hadn’t decided to make bedfellows with his enemies (OUR enemies).

    Season 8 for me has been all-around horrible. Every once and again I’ll come to a part, and I’ll really be able to hear, see and feel the characters through the comic–but it’s been almost four years and that has only happened a handful of times. The overall storyline is completely ludicrous (in my opinion, at least), and I wouldn’t even give it the honor of calling it fanfic because most of it isn’t even that good (for an AWESOME season eight fanfic, see Informant’s Buffy Season 8. It reads just as well as the original series).

    But Season 8 hasn’t ruined the television series for me. Even though it’s written and overseen by Joss, and “officially” canonical, I don’t like it, so I don’t consider it to be, and it hasn’t ruined what the television series was for me. Furthermore, the original movie didn’t ruin the show for me either, so why should another (non-canon) movie ruin it for me or anyone else. The worst that can happen is we see a re-envisioning of Buffy that we don’t care for, and there’s not a whole lot wrong with that. That’s why I continue reading the comics, even though I don’t like them. Because, in any scenario, it’s pretty hard for me to consider new Buffy to be all that bad.

    The Kuzui’s are evil. They always have been, and we already know that. But there is NO reason to bag on Whit Anderson.Joss Whedon did not write and direct every episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In fact, he didn’t write MOST of them. And some of the ones that he DID are among my least favorite. I’ve read plenty of decent Buffy fanfic and I really enjoyed some of the novels by Christopher Golden & Nancy Holder. The writers/creators of Veronica Mars (just to mention one show…I happen to be watching it again :P) were able to capture a lot of what made Buffy special in their characters. I see no reason not to give Whit a chance. And like the poster said, if they’re giving the writing to a newbie, she’s probably got a pretty spectacular idea.

    To me Joss or no Joss is like, a fraction of the issue. If I’m going to see BUFFY (as in, the character) return to the screen, then it has to be Gellar. SHE, IMO is Buffy, not Joss. Plenty of people went in to making Buffy awesome of paper, but only Gellar was able to bring Buffy truly to life (as witnessed by Joss also writing the Buffy movie, and Swanson not being able to pull it off)(not that Sawnson was horrible, and I think she gets a lot of hard knocks, but she didn’t have the talent to play Buffy like Gellar does).

    If “JoJo” (*cringe*) wants to write a Buffy movie (or any other live-action Buffy-related reboot/sequel/remake/whatever) I’m all for it. If it’s with someone other than Gellar playing Buffy, I probably wont love it, but it will probably still be pretty great. (I’d rather just leave the characters out than recast them, honestly). But he’s not doing that, so, for now, this is the best we’ve got.

    There’s a 99.99% chance that Gellar won’t play Buffy in this movie. But she doesn’t play Buffy in the comic (because it’s a comic) and plenty of people (apparently) like that. Honestly, a reboot is preferable to me over Joss’ Season 8, because with a reboot it’s SUPPOSED to be new and different. A continuation isn’t (but the comics are–even if just by being comics).

    Also, yeah, yeah, Hollywood is evil, etc, etc, but there have been–granted, among the heaping masses of horrible reboots–a fair share of really incredible, series-defining reboots in the past couple of years (by Warner Bros, even) so why don’t we take a chill pill before we go and torch the WB Studios.

    -Dv

  • Theolddude

    Won’t go to see this – & this no slight against Whit Anderson. I don’t know her & she may do an outstanding job. But Buffy is Joss’ baby & for him to have no input at all is disgusting & typical of Hollywood. Had they discussed it with Whedon or he’d given his blessing – maybe. BUT no-one knows Buffy & her universe better than Joss. This will be a straight-to-dvd failure. If Hollywood has any sense, at least get Whedon involved at some level. No-one will see this without him.

  • Mysticalchick
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  • http://khiaao.blogspot.com Khiaao

    Interesting..

  • Summer

    I just don’t understand why there’s a need for her to reboot Buffy. Yeah, she loves it, and that’s great and all, because so many of us do, but she could just as easily have told her story with a character inspired by Buffy, the way that Buffy was inspired by Kitty Pryde.

  • ZB

    The Speed credit was down to the WGA. In any dispute they decide credits, no matter what the original writer wants. A writer cannot “demand” a sole writer credit, unless they get the studio to agree not to hire any other writer, which is a big ask.
    The WGA also, for some insane reason, view dialogue as “not significant”, so the fact that Joss did about 95% of the dialogue didn’t matter. No credit for him.
    As for expecting Whit to call Joss and ask for his blessing, did Joss do that on Speed? AR? Waterworld? I suspect not. As a script doctor you are always bought in to change the previous writers work, and I can’t imagine many writers saying “Yeah, my script is a bit crap. It does need work. Go right ahead”
    Again, in her position I wouldn’t. You’d be putting him in an awkward position. Force him to say “Okay” which you could make public and claim he’s given his blessing to the whole thing or he says “Not cool” and have you give up a well paying job, one that could make your career, only for the studio to hire someone else. What could Joss say?

  • Abby Lee K

    Yes.

  • Abby Lee K

    Not exactly. Corpse as a non living, previously animated being? Yes. But if you’re looking at the definition of corpse within the world of the paranormal, including zombies, vampires and the like, it doesn’t work at all. Corpse in such a context means “Dead. Just dead. Not coming back to life anytime soon.”

  • GuessWhat

    With all the hateful comments about not getting a Whedon version of the BUFFY movie… you all forget one major thing… he didn’t WANT to do one. He had the chance to make a movie of it after the TV series was cancelled. He passed on it because he wanted to do something new. So we got DOLLHOUSE and other things he wanted to work on instead (WONDER WOMAN for example, which again didn’t work). So you can’t really blame another person that worked on the original version of BUFFY (remember, Whit Anderson worked WITH Whedon on the BUFFY movie). He took what the they BOTH worked on, changed something that was a pop culture hit and made it his own. So… why couldn’t someone else do the same that worked on that same pop culture hit?

    I liked the original movie and the TV series and ANGEL spin-off. I will check out the new movie as well because I’ve enjoyed the character from day one. Just like the reboot of BATMAN into BATMAN BEGINS, I will judge each of them on their own.

  • Eh

    EXACTLY. This new writer, whomever she is, could written an ORIGINAL story based on a beloved character, and THAT would have me excited. This? No.

  • GuessWhat

    You amy want Joss & Co… but they don’t want you. Meaning that they all passed on making a movie after the TV series was over.

  • GuessWhat

    Joss didn’t bother contacting or discussing it with Anderson (who helped make Buffy into a popculture hit) when he took the idea and made it into a TV series… so, essentially he spat in her face as you say… so why should she do it with him?

  • GuessWhat

    You do realize, what you are complaining about, is exactly what Joss Whedon did to Anderson. He rehashed/revamped/rebooted the BUFFY movie that he worked on WITH Anderson.

  • JMC

    Most of the fans complaining here aren’t the target audience anymore. This reboot is clearly aimed at young teenagers, likely 10 – 15 yr old girls. The fact that a number of middle-aged fans (yes, you’re ALL OLD NOW!!) who were teens when they started watching Buffy are getting all pissy and whiney won’t concern the producers at all. You’re not their target audience anymore.

    Just enjoy the TV series on DVD and move on. Joss needs to move on and act with some dignity as well – I felt embarrassed for him with his comments. Assuming ownership over someone else’s property is childish.

  • Mike H.

    Your big argument for a Buffy reboot movie is that you want to see what “someone who was actually a teenage girl” could do with the franchise? Hey, genius, check the credits of the 7 seasons of Buffy. Plenty of women wrote for the series. There were female executive producers and female network execs who also got a say in shaping the show. Joss was — and is — the GUIDING creative force, not the ONLY creative force. And one of the main reasons the show was such a success is because Joss was smart enough to listen to the people around him.

  • In defence of Echo

    The point of the character Echo was that she retained some of herself even with imprints. She was Echo in every incarnation. So, yeah Dushku did not seem to be different people because she wasn’t.

  • S_H

    “It might be FANTASTIC. I mean like out-of-nowhere great. But it’s not what we want.”-Jay

    I know that I’m using the following citation out of context, but I’ll throw it in anyways:

    “In terms of not giving people what they want, I think it’s a mandate: Don’t give people what they want, give them what they need.” -Joss Wedon

  • Nick Pes

    They already said that this “won’t be your highschool Buffy” so then there goes the whole teenage / monster metaphor. Yes, it can be ignored but I still feel like someone is stealing my childhood.

  • Elmariachi

    Epic fail. Buffy without joss and the tv series cast would be crap. I hope…..I mean I know this will be worse then the original movie. Epic fail

  • Masqurade_memory

    I agree with Mike I think that is what the fan truly want, but in order to have that you have to have the original characters and as AWESOME as that would be, the actors/actress are trying to pull away from being associated with these characters now and move on to different venues I mean I loved Angel and I still do, but now I know him as Booth and he does an amazing job as Booth on the new TV series Bones..and Willow went from being know as Willow to the band girl, and Buffy did a series of different movies they all moved on with their lives and as hard as it is so do the fans. Don’t get me wrong I would love a final farewell movie with the ENTIRE original tv series cast, but simple fact is that was ten years ago. These people have moved on from these characters, Hell even spike moved on from spike and last I knew James was working in his band Mad Brilliant so, it comes to a choice. Either see the new movie and hate it and go on with we told you cause that is probably going to be my take on the new movie, or simple don’t go if you think it’s going to ruining the pure idea of Buffy… we can protest all we want, in the end the people with the money are going to come out on top not the protesters not for a movie……But I still agree with Mike the only way I’d like a new movie is if it was a final farewell type deal with the original people ….

  • Jsmith

    Because Buffy wasn’t her idea…it was Joss’s. He originally tried to work with his idea on the first movie, but it was hijacked from him to the point where he disowned movie.
    He then did what any artist would do: complete his vision.
    In his case, it was a tv series that was a tremendous hit without the help of any of those people.

    For them to hijack his idea again, without his consent, in the feeble hope of riding the coat tails of his hard work towards some profit is disrespectful, purely business driven, and douchy.

  • Sept_28_2003

    Joss or no Joss. The bottom line is that Buffy blew chunks from day one. You can’t shine sh*t.

  • Anonymous

    I’m keeping my fingers crossed

  • Yarp

    What are you talking about? Where does it say Anderson worked with Whedon on Buffy? Isn’t Anderson 29 yrs. old? So she was helping when she was 11? She didn’t do anything but watch the show growing up like the rest of us.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RQOIFTELPCV3XMEHA4I63S3DOE Kate

    Whit Anderson worked with Joss on the original movie? That’s interesting – because she would’ve only been a preteen at the time. She’s 29.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RQOIFTELPCV3XMEHA4I63S3DOE Kate

    My issue with this is – there have been so many Shakespeare and Austen remakes in the last couple of decades. Essentially, you’re saying that it’s okay to modify someone’s creation as long as that person is dead and can’t raise any objections.

    As for nobody knowing the Buffyverse better than Joss? Warren was murdered in season six. The First appeared as him in season seven. But somehow, skinless Warren was alive in season eight.
    What did Joss say when fans confronted him about the error? “I forgot, okay.”

    Fans remembered. Joss forgot.

    I’m looking forward to seeing what Whit Anderson, a fan of Buffy, will do with the movie.

  • Brian from Canada

    So many haters, so little knowledge…. :-/

    Joss Whedon wrote A SCRIPT. Fox bought it and made it into a movie. Whedon hated the movie because it turned his “serious art” into a comedy, so he asked to do it his own way. Fox, not seeing any future profit in the movie, said yes, and Whedon LUCKED out to have both two producers willing to put money up AND a new network desperate for content to put it on. He didn’t write all the scripts, he supervised the production of the show; many ideas came from other people too.

    Eight years later, he moved on to other things, like Firefly. And when sales of the Firefly DVD were high enough to warrant revisiting that universe, he returned with Serenity.

    But Joss didn’t return to Buffy. And when vampires became hot again, a studio TRIED to get it going again on their own. They even got Gellar to co-star in a film that would FOLLOW the television series, but it all collapsed when the other co-star backed out for fears of just being seen to follow a trend (and being compared to Kristen Stewart, et al.). Gellar used that opportunity to back out, and now the project has stagnated.

    So they’re doing it again, only this time as a relaunch. I agree with the original author (which is a rarity for me, since I rarely do): we haven’t seen anything about the project yet beyond the initial announcement, and it can surprise you.

    Especially if Buffy becomes as Joss wants, an icon that can be continuously reinterpreted like Batman and Superman. (The fact that Whedon’s own take on superheroes The X-Men has always been weak at best has nothing to do with it.)

    Joss could have taken the high road about this and said simply that he was not contacted about it. He could have said the new writer could pass her ideas by him to see if it was really Buffy-worth. Instead, he issued a statement that is easily read as berating not only the studios that planned this but the studio he’s presently getting his paycheque from.

    I say give the reboot a chance. Sometimes, an idea can surprise you. And sometimes even the best ideas can be awful in execution despite the planning.

  • Dandelion

    Are you delusional or something? Joss never worked with Anderson! Buffy is Whedon’s creation, not Anderson’s! No one knows who that Anderson girl is!
    But then again, you probably are Whit Anderson desperately trying to fool everyone into thinking you created the Slayer mythos…

  • Ralph

    WARNER BROS’ FRANKENSTEIN ATTEMPT TO RECREATE STEPHENIE MEYER

    Whether you are a Buffy fan or not it is not rocket science to recognize that the replacement of Joss Whedon for their reboot of “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” was an insult to the writer and director. Maybe this is revenge because he chose to take such a high profile position in Marvel/Disney’s Avengers project. He put in a screenplay for Wonder Woman and Warner rejected it; so he did try for WB. I guess we may never know what really happened or what influenced this affront to screen writer/Director Joss Whedon.

    Yet the FAR GREATER INSULT is the Warner Bros’ GENDER WAR for women fans. It does not matter whether you are Twilight fan or not, hiring an actress to write the screenplay for Buffy (just to give the project a female writer) is an insult to female audience members. Why not hire a female screenwriter, because the company wants to hire the woman THEY WANT not accidentally end up validating women as screenwriters. To be clearer Meyer was the book series writer, Melissa Rosenberg was the screenwriter for the films. Obviously we need to wait to see who the female director is that Warner Bros will hire to simulate Director Catherine Hardwick. Some may be amazed how petty creativity can be pertaining to Hollywood decision-making.

    So what happens if this scheme to steal Twilight’s female fans does not work? Suppose the same thing that happened before happens again, suppose men predominantly show an appreciation for Buffy and women do not show the same appreciation. Will women writing and film contributors still suck, proving men are the best film developers because this scheme by male studio heads did not work? As cowardly as it is, the studio heads have set up a win-win situation to benefit their bruised egos while still insulting women.

    As fans of women’s participation in film, none of us should be so foolish as to ignore this assault on women’s creativity and none should so willingly agree to trivialize their participation.

    For more information:
    http://thwi.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/female-film-fans-unite-attack-of-the-trojan-vampire-2/

  • Bea

    As a fan of Joss he began to get on my nerves by blaming all of his show’s failures on other people/groups.

    He blamed Dollhouse’s failure on Fox when Fox gave that failing show a second season when it’s ratings proved it didn’t need one. He continues to cast bland actresses in his shows. Summer Glau and Eliza Duskhu. I am sorry; but an actress such as Eliza who has no depth playing a character who is forced to play OTHER characters was a bad idea. It could have worked if the actress was different. But I found myself not carrying about her character AT all. Nor the stalker Paul Ballard. The reason I continued to watch was EVERYONE else but those two.

    I remember when the idea came around about the reboot; I remember Joss not carrying much about it. BUT now that it’s gotten greenlighted he acts butthurt about it. HE who tried to reboot Wonder Woman and IS rebooting The Avengers you can’t reboot shows/movies and cry like a baby when the same happens to your show/movie/idea/creation.

    Buffy to me is now seen as a ‘Franchise character’ like Batman, Superman, James Bond, THE AVENGERS, etc.

    Though I don’t think the reboot needs to happen; not for Joss’s sake but for the sake of the character because it was already rebooted; and I think the only reason they’re bringing her into play is because ‘vampires are in’; and it’s just for money.

    I will see it. It could be good; I wasn’t sure I’d like Buffy the show; but I gave it a shot and liked it. So I will see it and watch it for myself and make a reaction based on that.

    Am I a fan of Joss…sometimes. But I think as a person he’s a huge douche who can’t take responsibility for his mistakes.

  • Jsmith

    So much misinformation here, bri bri.

    Joss Whedon created Buffy.
    He worked his butt off to make Buffy a hit for eight years.
    OF COURSE, he had help, you can’t make a show by yourself.
    But to try and minimize his involvement in the character is downright crazy.

    Just check out the reaction to this news by the cast.
    They all say the same thing: No Joss, No Way.

    This movie is nothing but a cheap ploy by the studios to get some profits.
    They don’t care about the character, the creator, or anything else.

  • Ericgorr

    Well, this one is easy for me. No Joss. No money or support from me.

  • Brian from Canada

    Whedon wouldn’t have been able to make Buffy the TV series had Fox not made the original film — a film that despite Whedon’s dislike of it, was actually a good reworking of the vampire genre for its time and who’s presence in the marketplace helped sell his TV series.

    Yes, he created the character and put his energy into building it. I’m not minimizing that; what I am minimizing is the attitude that it’s Joss’ alone or that it was as huge a success as people make it out to be. It wasn’t a huge hit by anyone’s standards except The WB (where it was a perpetual second in ratings for them) and Angel ended up being cancelled.

    As for the cast, “no Joss, no way” doesn’t mean much when all of them reject it even WITH Joss. Gellar spent a decade saying she would never go back, and was the only one to actually say she’s go back to the continuation film. Head, Hannigan and Boreanaz have successful television series, while Brendon’s had a recurring guest role on Criminal Minds and is still trying to get a series of his own.

    The movie may be a “cheap ploy” but remember: they TRIED the Joss route. Then Vanessa Hudgens, the new younger star set for the film, backed out. No star, no financing, no backing from the studio — because Gellar has not been able to turn a film into a major hit. Nor, incidentally, have any of the others really except Hannigan, and it was an ensemble piece.

    Vampires are hot now — now is the time to get a film out there.

    And you never know about them “caring about the character.” They picked a writer who seems reverential to the original concept and series and wants to do good by it — just as a new comic writer does when they get a series.

    Or it could go the other way. WB doesn’t give a shit about Batman but lots of people loved Tim Burton’s version and the poor representation of the character in The Dark Knight.

  • dean winchester

    Live Free or Twi-hard.

  • Anonymous

    So, they passed on the movie. That means they don’t WANT it !!
    The fact remains that this idiot is going ahead with this AGAINST the creator’s request. That says a lot about it right there.

  • Stay_sea71

    Buffy was finished….done complete at peace…COOKIES. Leave her be. Reviving her would be like riping her out of heaven once again. Don’t do it. It is sacrilegious. I don’t like it one bit.

    If you are going to do a reboot….make another slayer….another city….another time…(old west, or mid-evil slayer would ROCK). Then I am on board.

  • Mad_mandonna

    I love Buffy, firefly, serenity, dr horrible and dollhouse. Hated Wheadons script for Alien Ressurection. Isn’t this Whit Anderson doing the same as Joss in that instance?

    Don’t think it’s gonna be great they’d have to make a damn good interpretation of it.

    And apparently he had the option to be apart of it and turned it down. If its amazing (which I doubt) it’ll be quite funny to see what people blog then.

  • Luci

    i love buffy the vampire slayer:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:X:X:X:X:X:X:X:X:X:X:X:X:X:X:X:X<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3

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