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New Terminator Movie Won’t Reunite Original Cast

Remember last week when we heard about a pitch for the next Terminator movie, the one that Justin Lin is directing with Arnold Schwarzenegger set to star? The word was that there was some plan to reunite the original cast, which presumably means those playing key characters in James Cameron’s two films: Linda Hamilton and Edward Furlong, possibly a few others. It turns out that’s not the plan.

“No. I don’t know where that came from,” Lin said in an interview with MTV News. “Everything has just been between me and Arnold, you know? Just us going out and trying to find the right partners. I have certain elements, but it’s never been about, ‘Hey, let’s bring everybody back!’ I just don’t process that way.”

“To me, thematically, there are certain things that I want to see in a Terminator movie. A lot of that does draw back to creating this timeline that is an extension, closer tonally to the first and second movies. But to me, it’s not as mathematical as, ‘Hey, let’s get everybody back together and we’ll shoot the movie.'”

So much for those fleeting hopes of being able to love the Terminator franchise again. Talk about abuse. James Cameron’s initial two movies were excellent, among the very best works of science fiction released in the past 30 years. The two follow-ups fell far short and the TV series, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, which had always been decent, got canceled just as it was starting to really get great.

Lin’s take could turn out to be great, no question. I’m frankly not even sure that Terminator fans know what they want to see from the franchise anymore, but he says he’s got a great take on the story that hasn’t been done yet. He also says he doesn’t feel constrained to stick to the established timeline.

Why don’t you tell us what you think? Is there some consensus on what elements are necessary to make a good Terminator movie? Is it simply that Rise of the Machines and Salvation were flat-out not good movies, or do you think the issue extends deeper than that?

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  • http://twitter.com/HeroicTStudios Michael Sacal

    Rise and Salvation were, more or less, the movies I wanted to see, how the machines took over and the adult John Connor in the future.

    A follow up should bring things full circle and show the older John Connor fulfill history by sending his father and the two Terminators to the past to stop the T-1000, the Terminatrix, and the original Terminator from killing his mother, himself, and his lieutenants.

    The fifth movie should bring things to an end… then, a few years later, they can reboot it and start from scratch.

  • http://twitter.com/TheHeroBiz The Hero Business

    Don’t hate on TERMINATOR 3; It was a worthy sequel, restoring the bleak, nonchangeable nature of time travel established in the first movie.

    The next movie should open a few minutes after T3, with a young John and Kate Conner waking up to a world where machines now rule. And John having to rise as leader of the resistance.

    SALVATION robbed us of seeing those seminal moments only hinted at in T1-3.

  • Ryan Filler

    The problem with any Terminator sequels is that the first two were just TOO GOOD. I mean, as good as the second movie is, it even had to change some stuff from the first one because the first one is THAT GOOD. Anyone know what I mean?

  • http://khiaao.blogspot.com Khiaao

    Interesting..

  • MW

    I never thought the first Terminator was very good. T2 was good, though.

  • http://twitter.com/HeroicTStudios Michael Sacal

    Or maybe it changed stuff from the first one becuase the first one was a rip off of two episodes of The Outer Limits and Cameron had to distance himself from them… just saying…

  • Guest

    Two thoughts:

    1) I really don’t want to see today’s fairly old, flabby Arnold playing the Terminator again. Time to get somebody else in the role.

    2) In response to the comment below that T3 was “worthy sequel”, you couldn’t be more wrong. “restoring the bleak, nonchangeable nature of time travel established in the first movie”???? The ENTIRE moral of the first two movies was captured in the saying “the future is not set” that John Connor made his father memorize before sending him back to the past. That, along with the many other terrible aspects of that movie make it completely unwatchable to me.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QKN5MHOI6VUFOYCTV5REK7M7A4 Jacob

    I’m so glad that opinions are fact. It’s wonderful that you can so definitively prove that Hero was wrong in liking a movie you didn’t. Good going, mate.

  • scott

    while I loved the 1st 2 movies for different reasons. I thought the last 2 movies were pretty good and didn’t hate them.

    I would like to see Linda and Edward or Stahl come back in the role.

  • Clem Nickel

    It’s funny- I was the exact opposite. Viewing them now, I find the second Terminator a slog, with Arnie doing his thumbs up/’I know now why you cry’, Edward Furlong’s ‘child actor’ performance [‘she’s not my mom, Todd’]; and Linda Hamilton chewing up the scenery with her speeches about men killing because they don’t know what it’s like to have a baby growing inside them.

    Conversely, I actually quite liked Salvation –probably the only person in the universe to do so– as the set pieces were good, the ‘young Kyle Reese’ excellent, whilst Christian Bale phoned in his usual gravel voiced thang. It lost its way towards the end, and didn’t make the blindest bit of sense, but I enjoyed it.

    The Sarah Connor Chronicles was awesome though, and is probably my favorite Terminator spinoff since the original movie.

  • http://twitter.com/HeroicTStudios Michael Sacal

    But in spite of John’s message to Sarah, the overall message of the story has been that the future IS set. Even Cameron believes that, or else he wouldn’t have removed the alternate ending from T2 that showed an old Sarah in the park and an adult John that is a lawyer.

    T2 showed us that if humanity goes in a straight line, Skynet is created and destroys the world (i.e. Dyson and Cyberdine).

    T3 showed us that if humanity turns to the right, Skynet is created and destroys the world (i.e. Kate’s father and the military industrial complex).

    The Sarah Connor Chronicles showed us that if humanity turns to the left, Skynet is created and destroys the world (i.e. The Turk, Kyle’s brother from the future).

    I’d be willing to bet that if humanity turned back, jumped up, knelt down, or even stood still, Skynet would still be created and destroy humanity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Hasser/1427822616 Adam Hasser

    Saving Private Ryan with machines, I want to see more of the man vs machine war. We’ve only ever seen small parts of the war, a little more in Salvation and I think the next one should take place in the trenches.

  • Mak

    The Terminator series just need Cameron’s in the mix to get it right…

  • Ciaran Statham

    Salvation pretty much did follow on from T-3, or did you miss the part where there were leaders of the Resistance and John Connor actively went against them and took charge after they were blown up by the machines? Terminator: Salvation was basically the Rise of John Connor, although Bale made the character completely and utterly hard to like.

  • Ciaran Statham

    ‘No future but what we make’ has to be wrong anyway. If the Connors actually succeeded in their mission to destroy every last piece of the Terminators sent back to their time, then the T-800 of T2 would never exist to be sent back in the first place.

    I’m personally more surprised that Terminator 3 didn’t pick up on the fact that the T1000 actually lodged a huge piece of the T-800’s arm in a set of gears during their final fight – Which could then be used to further the research on the machine, a la the remaining arm from the original Terminator movie.

  • http://twitter.com/HeroicTStudios Michael Sacal

    Terminator presents us with the biggest temporal paradox in existence.

    Consider the following.

    When Sarah, John, and the T-800 arrived at Cyberdine systems to destroy the chip and arm from the Terminator from the first movie, it was John that opened the safe where the keys to the vault were kept.

    If they were successful in stopping judgement day, then adult John never sends Kyle, his father, back through time to impregnate Sarah, which means that he is never born and, therefore, cannot use his hacking skills to open the safe that allows them to open the vault and retrieve the chip and arm to destroy them and prevent Judgment Day in the first place.

    The only way that John Connor can be born is if Judgement Day happens. No judgment day, no John Connor.

  • Sborband

    Man, this writer just uses the story to keep bashing Terminator movies he doesn’t like. Why not follow up this article with one telling us all why Salvation didn’t work? I liked the movie and so did a lot of other people! It did what I always wanted. It showed the war in the future, instead of rehashing the same old robot chases person movie. Will the writer accept the challenge?

  • Ekroz

    I agree with Rise of the Machines not being good. However, Salvation was an exceptional movie that is best digested with multiple viewings. It just gets better each time you view it…

  • 0bsessions

    This is essentially why I was never overtly fond of T2. Terminator was an enjoyable exercise in fatalism and the blunt point of it boils down to “the machines send a Terminator back in time to make sure the human leader is never born only to insure that the human leader, who otherwise never would’ve existed, is born and trained by a hardened mother.

    T2, on the other hand, is a 2 1/2 hour exercise in one-liners and irreconcilable paradoxes. Terminator 3 may not have been a fantastic movie, but it at least helped clean up some of the logical mess that was T2.

  • http://twitter.com/geminibros Adam Rosenberg

    “Keep bashing”? I made a couple of comments about how I think the third and fourth movies fell short, but that’s about the extent of it. I know people liked them, and that’s fine, but I get to have an opinion too.

    As for your challenge, been there, done that.  http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/05/26/a-fans-response-to-terminator-salvation/

  • Dirtydeedsauto

    I liked them all. Lol just make another one
    <3 bring back arnie.
    Terminator movies are now like alien and predator movies. Fun to watch as long as it has a decent story line and is full of gore gunfire and explosions. Welcome to Hollywood in the 21st century. Hello Sheeple, I'm reality.