Are Tie-Ins and Expanded Universes Taboo For Most Fans?

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Are Tie-Ins and Expanded Universes Taboo For Most Fans?  

When I was a kid, it wasn’t enough to just watch the Star Wars movies; reading the comics and playing with the toys were pretty much essential parts of the whole experience. Same thing, later, with Transformers, which were as much about the comics and cartoon as they were the toys (or vice versa). These days, though, I feel as if “expanded universes” gets a bad reputation. Why?

There was a conversation on Twitter earlier this week where various people owned up to having read Star Trek novels as if it was something socially unacceptable, or at least frowned upon; I read the tweets with something between embarrassment and bewilderment, because I got through my fair share of Trek tie-ins when I was a teenager, filling the gaps between seasons of The Next Generation or movies with books by Peter David – by far my favorite of the novelists – and others, but I also feel some sense of… shame, somehow, in admitting that publicly. But I don’t really understand why, just as I don’t understand why it’s fine to be into the Star Wars movies and Clone Wars TV show, but reading the comics or novels is somehow geekier – same with Doctor Who spin-offs, or Battlestar Galactica or whatever.

Is it the quality of the tie-ins? There’s definitely a feeling – Somewhat deserved, admittedly – that tie-in novels and other expanded universe product have a somewhat lower level of quality control than the core stories in the original medium, and so perhaps some of the “unacceptability” of tie-in stories and the franchising out of series comes from snobbery or just plain unwillingness to consider what is seen to be “unnecessary” inferior additions to the canon. Or perhaps it’s the idea that, because the stories aren’t happening in the original format, they aren’t canon, and therefore don’t matter in the grand scheme of things… or is that too insular and “fanboyish” an argument?

Maybe “fan boyishness” is the key. It may be, after all, that delving into the expanded universe demonstrates a devotion to whatever franchise far beyond the casual relationship that can be easily dismissed or played for irony; a sign that you’re actually a fan who’s willing to devote additional levels of time and money to follow the adventures and stories of favorite fictional characters. Reading the tie-in books, comics and whatnot comes from a completist nature that is one of the few parts of the nerd stereotype that, tellingly, hasn’t become cool as geeks and nerds take over mainstream culture; making jokes about C3-PO and Boba Fett is one thing, but start talking about Mara Jade or Cade Skywalker and watch out for the looks of quiet contempt.

Of course, maybe I’m wrong, and expanded universe material isn’t as out there as it seems. Use the comments, people: Who reading this goes for the novels and the comics and the webisodes and all the expanded material for their favorite movies and show? And do you think it’s the kind of thing that is as easily accepted as the original material?

  • P3

    The expanded universe isn’t really as accepted as the original medium for most people, but fans who want more stories about their favourite characters; they take them just fine when, and only when, they like them.

    Maybe some people just feel ashamed because buy them it’s a guilty pleasure, it’s like if you can’t let go something even after it’s truly over, and keep coming back to them.

    In my case, I loved Charmed TV series, now I’m hooked into the comic books.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shonuff77 Kalu Ekeh

    Personally I dig the Expanded universe material on both Star Trek and Star Wars.  

  • Fer

    Actually, Lucas is one of the few who considers darn near every tie-in ever made to be *in* canon.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars_canon

  • WeaponX

    I’m with you on the Anakin stuff.  The Karen Davis stuff I am totally on the opposite side.  The Mandalorian thing was getting way out of hand.  She turned them into heroes which they were never intended to be and really tried to degrade the Jedi with them.  Not to mention they became a bunch of Bobba Fett clones which robbed that character of his uniqueness and turned the Mandos into a group of super heroes instead of mercenaries.  I’m all for making a good back story but when that story starts to try and change the dynamics of the universe at that point you are just poking the bear.  I hate most of what George does to change the orginals and the way he treats the EU but in this case I totally understand.  She was trying to create her own little universe out of George’s universe. 

    I won’t even get into how much more sense that crappy cgi cartoon show’s treatment of the characters are.  Though I know it really ticks of some fans to see a Mandalorian who isn’t the equal of fifteen Jedi.

  • WeaponX

    He was popular from the movies but then all these novels ran with it and it ruined the character for me.  He became too cool for the franchise in the EU.  He was the smartest most fearsome warrior who ever lived, never mind he was killed by a blind guy with a stick.  Oh yea and he could never be killed he has been resurected more times than your average super hero.  Luke could carve him into pieces with his lightsaber and Han could blast the pieces until nothing was left and he would still come back to life.  Its frankly kind of embarasing how obsessed some Star Wars fans are with the guy.

  • Anonymous

    Is this really so mysterious? Licensed material tends to vary widely in quality and is generally put together by folks with limited or no connection to the original creators. That means that it’s frequently out-of-step with the original in terms of plot and tone. Furthermore, spin-offs of TV shows and movie in other media lack the presence of the actors who are often one of the main draws. (Young Harrison Ford is awesome, but a picture of young Harrison Ford is just a picture.)

    The spin-off material that tends to be most popular is the material that receives the stamp of approval from the original creators or (better yet) their involvement. Still, Clone Wars is never going to be as popular as the Star Wars movies and the Buffy Comics will never be embraced by some fans of the TV show.

  • Anonymous

    Two things for me on why I usually avoid tie-ins:  #1 Expanded universe tie-ins are rarely under the purview of the creators of the original.  While the quality can vary, just like in the original, the vision is usually quite different and varied, too much for me since I’m often already dealing with variation in the original given the different writers and directors involved.

    #2 Canon.  Some people don’t care.  I do.  It is OK for a great story to be character masturbation as long as its done right – Yesterday’s Enterprise is a perfect example of ta story with no consequence that still has a powerful story – but in the original movie, TV show, etc. I know there are almost always consequences to each action and there is a possibility, however small, that there will be lasting change caused by an action.  This is especially true nowadays with the commitment to overarching story-telling in TV shows and movie sequels.  In the tie-ins tho, I know at the end of the story the status quo will be maintained.  The exceptions of course are the truly tangential tie-ins – I’m thinking of Star Trek: New Frontier which uses wholly unique characters - but even they have severe limitations based on the original.

    I’m not saying a tie-in can’t be enjoyed.  I watch Star Wars: The Clone Wars because I like good animation.  It also happens to be a series that I find has a (somewhat) interesting over-arching story. However, I go in accepting that every character that appears in Episode 3 will absolutely definitely not be overly affected by anything that goes on in this series.  I must also say that after 3 seasons I’m getting bored with the endless skirmishes that never seem to go anywhere.  There are no real stakes in the story so nothing of value is at risk.  It’s taken 50 episodes to get to where we are – which is pretty much where we started – but this series has reached the same conclusion as every other tie-in: no consequences.

    Now if ST:TCW was to suddenly invoke a timeline split, well then THAT would be very interesting.  Until then, meh.

  • T. Esdras

    It’s true that some of it is garbage, but then a few are better than the original medium making it all worthwhile. I love delving deep into a good book or whatever, it’s just harder to find the golden stuff and that makes it a frustrating experience for a lot of us. Relax man.

  • T. Esdras

    That’s all canon in my head ;)

  • redshirt

    It’s kind of pointless to read Star Trek novels considering that they are not considered canon.  They’re just glorified fan fiction.  I’d rather be reading something that actually matters to the evolution of the characters.

  • redshirt

    It’s kind of pointless to read Star Trek novels considering that they are not considered canon.  They’re just glorified fan fiction.  I’d rather be reading something that actually matters to the evolution of the characters.

  • redshirt

    It’s kind of pointless to read Star Trek novels considering that they are not considered canon.  They’re just glorified fan fiction.  I’d rather be reading something that actually matters to the evolution of the characters.

  • redshirt

    It’s kind of pointless to read Star Trek novels considering that they are not considered canon.  They’re just glorified fan fiction.  I’d rather be reading something that actually matters to the evolution of the characters.

  • redshirt

    It’s kind of pointless to read Star Trek novels considering that they are not considered canon.  They’re just glorified fan fiction.  I’d rather be reading something that actually matters to the evolution of the characters.

  • redshirt

    It’s kind of pointless to read Star Trek novels considering that they are not considered canon.  They’re just glorified fan fiction.  I’d rather be reading something that actually matters to the evolution of the characters.

  • redshirt

    It’s kind of pointless to read Star Trek novels considering that they are not considered canon.  They’re just glorified fan fiction.  I’d rather be reading something that actually matters to the evolution of the characters.

  • redshirt

    It’s kind of pointless to read Star Trek novels considering that they are not considered canon.  They’re just glorified fan fiction.  I’d rather be reading something that actually matters to the evolution of the characters.

  • redshirt

    It’s kind of pointless to read Star Trek novels considering that they are not considered canon.  They’re just glorified fan fiction.  I’d rather be reading something that actually matters to the evolution of the characters.

  • redshirt

    It’s kind of pointless to read Star Trek novels considering that they are not considered canon.  They’re just glorified fan fiction.  I’d rather be reading something that actually matters to the evolution of the characters.

  • redshirt

    It’s kind of pointless to read Star Trek novels considering that they are not considered canon.  They’re just glorified fan fiction.  I’d rather be reading something that actually matters to the evolution of the characters.

  • redshirt

    It’s kind of pointless to read Star Trek novels considering that they are not considered canon.  They’re just glorified fan fiction.  I’d rather be reading something that actually matters to the evolution of the characters.

  • redshirt

    It’s kind of pointless to read Star Trek novels considering that they are not considered canon.  They’re just glorified fan fiction.  I’d rather be reading something that actually matters to the evolution of the characters.

  • Wil

    I realize many people can’t enjoy stories that are outside the canon because they feel they aren’t “real” Star Trek (or Dr. Who, or James Bond, or what have you) stories, but guess what, people – they’re **all** imaginary stories.  Enjoy.

  • Rogal6166

    I don’t care about them, either. The closest thing to a Star Wars expanded universe I ever liked was some of the old Jedi Knight games. Hcck, I even have one on my computer still. I guess he put references to them in the prequels like that lady during the Pod Race and the fact that young Han Solo wasn’t seen on Chewbacca’s home planet. The original intention was that Han Solo was an orphan who was raised by the Wookies. I guess it doesn’t matter, though.

  • Ironpool007

    I like expanded universes. I’m into games like Mass Effect, Dead Space, Halo, and Army of Two, and I’ll gladly take anything I can get my hands on to expand my knowledge of those games. And I enjoy seeing how the characters are handled in different mediums. The way I see it is if you like something, why not have more of it?

  • Turtletrekker

    Whether or not a story is “canon” is the most absolute pointless, meaningless and irrelevant thing to judge a story on. The only thing that matters is if the story is good. After all, none of it is real, and just about every franchise contradicts its own official canon at some point or another anyway. That’s why they call it “fiction”. NONE of it is Canon.