Fringe Season 4: 5 Questions About “Letters Of Transit”

i believe this is a third reality. probably one that the new jones is from.

I can answer one question: it’s Walter, not Walternate. First, they call him Dr. Bishop, which I don’t think would be what folks would refer to Walternate as. (He was Sec. of Defense, right? So he’d be “Mr. Secretary” most likely.) But the real clinchers are the licorice, and–the true clincher–him calling Astrid “Astro”. He does seem to have some of the grim purposefulness of Walternate, but that can probably be chalked up to whatever happened to Olivia, and/or the tough decisions and consequences that must have occurred since we last saw Walter in ~2012.

FWIW, I think Broyles is the one from “our” world, if for no other reason than his recognition of the licorice (which he is presumably recognizing as a sign of Walter’s presence) near the end of the episode. Also, his clothing and the fact that he’s called “Agent” by the Observer (which I don’t think is the other Broyles’s title, right?)

Everything else is a mystery to me…though it seems apparent that Etta is supposed to be Olivia’s daughter, just judging by her appearance and demeanor alone.

I’m sure Etta was supposed to be Olivia’s daughter, which makes things more interesting.  Why was it so important for the Observers to have Peter knock up the correct Olivia?  Especially if that offspring is part of the resistance

Yeah, I mean, it was obviously Walter. When he had that part of his brain again, his face and attitude was a lot grimmer, a lot like Walternate, and even worse, I daresay. 

Man that episode was so great.  I love how Walter set off the anti-matter device to take out that Observer and those collaborators.  I’d really love to see next season (if there is one) take place in the dystopian future of 2036.  Also as others have said, the Observers are from 2609 not 2069.  I don’t think they could become that advanced in a mere 60ish years from now.

The Walter from this episode is Walter with the evil parts of his brain back in him, making him the loving Walter to his Fringe team without the compassion and sensitivity for everyone else. 

Except that nothing from season one through three is certain to have happened the same way in the timeline that we’ve been following this season. Since Olivia crossed over to find Peter, and that is when Bell sacrificed himself, it stands to reason that in the no-peter timeline, he didn’t die. The only ramifications of events in the first three seasons that we can be certain about are are that both Olivia and Peter can remember them, and that’s it.

Where have you been the last seasons although I love Anna and her character
The fact remains is the Peter and Olivia are meant to be together and Peter has
Always meant to be the hero and Olivia the girl that helps like in season 3 where she was the one that had the power to control the machine

maybe september is the reason not only do the observers manage to take over but also why oliva has vanished and also what bell maybe did to her to have walter leave him in amber. etta oliva could have had her before the events that this episode shows.

It was definitely our Walter from the first Universe.  He started acting more serious and like Walternate because he had his brain regenerated. Remember it was removed because he didn’t like who he was becoming.  If Bell never removed part of his brain he would have been like Walternate all along.

Oh get over it already.  Was it you who was going on before that the show is nothing but father-son relationships?  Well what do you call Peter & Henrietta?  It’s a father-daughter dynamic.  To a lesser extent Astrid has an important daughter-father relationship as well.  Nina and Olivia have an adopted mother-daughter relationship, etc.

The show over time has gone from Peter & Walter’s relationship being the priority, to Peter & Olivia, and next season there will still be that in the present but also Peter and his daughter Henrietta in 2036.  The show has a generational emphasis.  All this stuff you keep talking about in terms of misogyny you pull out of the ether, IMO.

Are you insane?  What a bad review.  Sexism?  Olivia is a weak girl? 
That’s definitely not what I got out of this episode.

Some of the Nazi themed parts were kind of cliche but that was because time was limited and they had to cover a lot.  That’s my only criticism of this episode.  They had to cover some key points quickly.  Walter’s brain regenerates in an hour.  The Nazi thing.  But if you overlook that for the sake of the overall story arc, it was a great episode.

Again I have to totally disagree with your strange projection that Anna is being out-shined by Joshua Jackson.  Both of them are the CO STARS of the show.  Each equally important.  Peter disappeared for almost an entire season.  The authors of fringe said that it’s important to see what is missed and what is missing.  

The same will be true of Olivia.  And whatever Olivia does and how she dies I’m sure it will be in a courageous way.  Hero’s die to save others.  Hereo’s die to save the ones they love most.  In this case she likely died to save Peter, Walter and the universe.  We still don’t know what happened.  Besides it was Bell who killed Olivia and we still don’t know why.  

We don’t know where Season 5 will be filmed.  in 2036, 2015..  2012/2013, somewhere else or all three.

HEY, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT CLICHE?? HOW ABOUT A WOMEN WHO CAN’T STAND SEEING A MAN SHARE A LEAD ROLE WITH A WOMEN.  

FEMINIST!!!!!!!

Oh and here’s a thought.  If you could go back to 1950′s and live in ‘the other universe’.  One without FEMINISM, you would realize that you had twice the income by o nly one wage earner.  You would have all the same stuff and more but only your husband would have to work.  The world would be filled with happy children who had parents who took care of them and didn’t grow up in day care.

FEMINIST! You caused 100-200% inflation.
No go build a machine like Walter so you can fix this mess!  
Maybe Bell could remove the part of your brain where this whole feminist persecution complex exists.

It was definitely the Walter from “our” earth… The reason he was acting a bit like Walternate was because of the brain parts they re-integrated into him. Remember that they were originally removed because Walter didn’t like who he was becoming, so it only makes sense that by putting it back in him, some of that part of himself he didn’t like would probably return. If he had never had that part of his brain removed, it stands to reason that he would have turned out to be much like Walternet who never had it done to him on his earth.

I’m wondering if Jones’ ultimate goal has been to prepare for the coming resistance movement.  The Hybrids and Shape-shifters are his army; the amphylicite and Cortexephan subjects, his weapons. He dosed Olivia for the sole purpose of activating her latent abilities (her memories of Peter restored as a side-effect; the birth of their “super-powered” daughter an added bonus). Could his plan (to collapse both universes) theoretically lead to the creation of a new one, in which the Observers would be unable to take over (or maybe never even exist at all)?

So, someone sacrificing themselves to potentially save the world is a victim’s death, not a hero’s? Wow, you don’t get it. There are three episodes left, and you are pretending you know what is going to happen already. Besides, her not being around in 2036 is supposed to make us think she is dead (added to September’s warning). She is alive. Etta wouldn’t keep that bullet like that if it killed her mom, and she wouldn’t have been shocked by the appearance of Astrid because she expected her mom. She keeps it because September took it for Olivia (my prediction). She will be made to have a different destiny (other than dying) by being responsible for September dying in the same way that August died to save that other woman from her fate.

I also completely forgot about ghost Belly inhabiting Olivia for a few episodes. Not that I remember any path to physical ressurection being made possible.

Totally agree they are not going to kill off Olivia.

I got the impression from next week’s teaser that something is happening to join the two earth’s together.  Maybe they get fused into one reality, with elements of both, and that’s the future we were given a glimpse of?  Just a thought.

Technically, if the observers travel back in time, they could be visiting timelines different than their own, or they could already be part of the timeline, thus not really suffering any consequences even if their great great great grandfather was killed. If they only travel to important dates back in time, maybe that is their way of not visiting dates that influence their own existence in the first place. it is weird that there are no women. Maybe it points to how they were created. They say that they are “us”, but maybe they are lab created people that don’t need to reproduce sexually, thus no reason for females. Or maybe they just keep their women in “their place” at home, and that’s why we see no bald women, and also why we saw that observer being a jerk to that prostitute.

I think it’s completly new timeline, “black” one and the Observers took it as their stand while observing their original reality (blueredamber) and trying to avoid it’s destruction. That’s why Bell is still alive, Walter acts kind of ruthless and Broyels serves the occupying force.

before peter was taken out of the timeline there was both a DRJ and a william bell from earth one so i dont see how they could be the same person
as far as the grandfather paradox perhaps alot of thier actions have been to try and disconnect themselves from our timeline and insulate themselves from any changes
leading to my last thought that the child of olivia and peter might be the eve as it were of the observers with both parents being altered humans of diff realities removeing peter was an attempt to compleatly break from the time line and when he came back they failed so olivia and peter haveing a child became once again important to thier survival hence olivia must die to save the world
or to explain it another way killing peter would have altered the time line preventing the evolution of the observers while removeing peter from exisitance creates a whole new reality there by fixing and makeing thier own realty unchangable when peter came back they were once again tied to this timeline so had to invade in order to insure they would exsist

ive only seen the show go farward in time and the observers are seen trying to correct mistakes they have made instead of going back to change them so i dont think anyone travels back in time at all hawkings einstien and others have stated that if time travle were possible it would only be possible to move forward in time
at this point ppl will start saying of course they travel back in time the obervers are from the future yes and no 1 the machine can reset reality 2 the machine was built by the first ones 3 fringe group are the first ones and built the machine 4 time is belived to be cyclic all this leads me to belive that all time travel is achived by going forward in time to the next cycle or by reseting time and reality by way of the machine
the theroy of cyclic time states that each cycle will be almost identical to the last with minor variations which would explain why the diff realities are so similer most the variations between the 2 are realitively minor everyone has a double with the same realitives similer jobs etc etc and the only major variations seem to occur after walter crosses from one to the other creating a major change if they were in fact alternate realities they would be dissimilar or one would be a bubble universe
anyway ive been up for 2days and im rambleing to sum it up i belive the obervers main mode of time travle is in a circle while fringe team and DRJ tend to travel between the same point in diff time cycles
would also explain why peters existance meant one reality had to die and how bell keeps poping up as long as OT is one cycle ahead of us
and i think in the end there are 4 diff realities peters,bells,the observers, and DRJ’s

I agree with LightningBug, you had me until you went into total gobshite mode. Also it’s either “a womAn” or “womEn”, decide if you are speaking in the singular or plural and at least attempt to follow suit grammatically. If typing feminist in all caps followed by a bunch of exclamation points is meant to be an insult, you’ve failed miserably at that as well. 

DAN SILVERSTEIN!!!!!!!!!!Why don’t YOU build a machine, one that turns your brain to the ON position before you attempt to interpret history, economics, child development or what motivates women to enter the workforce and then think your skewed ideas have any merit in a discussion about Fringe or in reality. In an attempt to rebuke and differentiate yourself from that nutbag, awful419fringe, you’ve managed to make yourself sound like a lunatic who spits when they talk.

There’s no “Massive Dynamic” on the other side, correct?

yeah there was a Agent Dunham but her hair was dark and she was Olivia’s neice?