Should Warners Give Up On A Justice League Movie?

At least one attempt by Warner Bros. to bring DC Comics’ Justice League to the big screen has fallen apart, and the rumored addition of Ben Affleck to the project has ended up being denied by his people. Is it time to admit defeat on the idea of a JL movie?

It’s not just that the project’s past history – Remember George Miller’s plans to have Common as Green Lantern and Adam Brody as the Flash? – has either illustrated the pitfalls of a project with quite so many moving parts or proven that the very idea of a Justice League movie is apparently cursed; the incredible success of Marvel’s The Avengers has set the bar for this kind of superhero team movie so high in terms of both box office and, simply, quality of execution, that the idea of making a JL movie that isn’t as good as Whedon’s effort – or doesn’t do as well financially, and let’s be honest, how likely is that? – opens Warners up to all kinds of accusations of copycat behavior or trying to steal Marvel’s thunder, neither or which the studio would want.

And, let’s face it; DC is already having trouble with its movies. Yes, Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy did wonderfully and was well-loved, but Green Lantern has already turned into one of those films about which we at best smile politely and try to change the subject whenever it’s mentioned, and we have no idea whether or not Zack Snyder will be able to pull off a Superman movie that will make a whole new generation believe a man could fly. It’d be nice to see DC Entertainment prove that it could successfully walk when it comes to making superhero movies in this day and age, before it tries to run… or fly, or use its power ring to get to whatever it’s going, and so on.

So, should Warners just drop the idea of a Justice League movie altogether? Well… yes and no. I’d argue that making a movie called Justice League in the current climate would be a bad idea, to be brutally honest. It’s so loaded a title (and so corny a title, too, let’s be honest); it invites comparisons to Avengers, and raises expectations and speculation to a truly uncomfortable level just by its very existence – See the furore that surrounded the Ben Affleck story earlier this week – making it an astonishingly visible project at such an early stage. When you consider the importance of the movie to the studio as a franchise and tentpole of the entire DC Entertainment line, it seems too much like asking for trouble, to be honest, to announce that a Justice League movie is on its way.

Instead, I’d want to see Warner Bros. be smart, and sneak a Justice League movie into production. Instead of making an official JL movie, for example, imagine the studio manages to resuscitate the Green Lantern franchise and makes a Green Lantern 2 that expands the Sinestro-as-villain storyline, and sets up a third movie based on the Sinestro Corps War storyline from the comics… And then, the third movie centers around a bunch of aliens invading Earth… and just happens to introduce a group of new characters appearing with spectacular powers to fight them. You don’t have to call them the Justice League, or even have them deciding to team up on an ongoing basis; merely introduce your future Leaguers in the background, show them working together as a team, and essentially make a stealth JL movie to see how the audience reacts.

(If the aliens invading thing is to close to the Avengers movie, then have the third movie skip directly to the Blackest Night storyline as the worldwide disaster that brings the other heroes out of hiding; there hasn’t been a superhero zombie movie yet, right?)

The central idea of bringing the Justice League to the big screen isn’t a bad one – I just worry that trying to do so in a movie called Justice League is proving to be so troublesome that just deciding to try it from another direction might really be the way to go.

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Comments

  • Lyle

    I just don’t see why this writer has to be such a defeatist. First, he complains that a movie with ‘so many working parts’ would be difficult, when the Avengers just came out to prove that such a movie can be made. Then, he has to use Avengers as evidence that it cannot be done.
    Look, any movie is difficult. The Avengers took a lot of time to make and I am positive there were other creative people who were going to be part of it and could not but it still worked. Heck, Marvel comics has had a history of making really bad movies (Howard the Duck, anyone?) before getting their act together.
    Also, isn’t it a bit early to be a doomsayer? All that happened so far is that a script was written and the first person given it was Ben Affleck, who it looks like will turn it down. This is how Hollywood works, and I am positive he will not be the only person who gets to look at the script and decide if he or she wants to direct it. Yes, Joss Whedon is amazing, I thought it for years and am glad the rest of the world finally figured it out. But, he is not the only creative human being in Hollywood.
     

  • Rollo Tomassi

    Should WB give up on a JLA movie? No. Absolutely not.

    Should they stop, take a deep breath, calm down, and come up with a solid plan for delivering a coherent rollout for their biggest IP farm? Yes. Hell to the yes.

  • W. McMcElroy

    Headline = question no one was asking = Graeme McMillan! Not that there aren’t people who have said a lot of the things you’re saying here, but the leap from the story about a denial of a rumor of Ben Affleck’s involvement to an article titled Should Warners Give Up On A Justice League Movie is pure McMillan. The level of conjecture and crazy leaps in logic displayed in your articles approaches the sense of self parody, on the way to making really insightful points that no one else was debating to begin with. Not criticizing, your articles have carved out the most insane niche and it’s always interesting to see the next one reaffirm that.

    Of course, the idea of launching a JL movie via a second sequel to a critically derided box office failure, possibly with zombies in it, is patently ridiculous, but the fact that you got there at all and made a case for it is impressive to witness. A lot of your points about how a Justice League movie would seem to be dead before it got off the ground make sense in theory, although it could also work the other way, where having already seen a good Avengers movie allows audiences to suspend disbelief and get excited about the “Batman and Superman in the same movie” of it all. Long enough for Warner to do everything they can to make a good movie, which I don’t think the Green Lantern movie and Superman trailer actually give us enough to fairly speculate about. Man I feel like I’m in the McMillan thought vortex. Good job!

  • Chris Peavey

    Making a movie out of Blackest Night is a HORRIBLE idea.  The zombies (aside from the fact that zombies are totally freaking played) are only a threat to guys like Superman if they have powers.  Normal zombies vs. Superman should take about seven seconds to resolve.  And the only reason anyone gives a crap about the powered zombies is that we know who they were.  Without that backstory, you basically just have superpowered zombies just because.  

  • CJ3

    The Nolan Batman movies were great, well written stories.  Now we move onto Superman (which Nolan and company are involved) and like Zack said “get his house in order, then we’ll see,” in talking about a JL movie.  We’ve not even seen a solid Wonder Woman yet, and frankly even though I enjoyed Green Lantern, most people did not.  We also have not even seen a Flash movie either.

    I think if you want a solid JL movie that is on par with how well Avengers did, it’s not going to be the storyline that’s the problem as it will to have very good solid movies about at least 4 of the JL members before bringing JL to the screen IMHO.

    I also read somewhere that the next Arkham game was going to be more a prequel that will be more of a JL game then just Batman and all of this was to begin to hype up and introduce the JL team.

    I think this is all in the works in many ways, it just needs to be done right and maybe they are trying to figure that out on how to do it?

  • thesnappysneezer

    Lame, they should make a Justice League of America film and they should do everything to insure it is right. A non Justice League Justice League movie disguised as Green Lantern 3 is just plain stupid.

  • http://twitter.com/JasonVerve Jason Moraes

    They should give up. DC characters are too lame.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Skott.Of.Fables Skott Jimenez

    I wouldn’t mind if comic book movies stopped getting made altogether. Personally, I’d rather comic book publishers focused on giving us great COMIC BOOKS instead of publishing movie ideas.

  • 2814

    “we have no idea whether or not Zack Snyder will be able to pull off a Superman movie that will make a whole new generation believe a man could fly”

    Yet we have no problem with believing a man can turn into a giant green monster whenever he gets angry?

  • Mikey Ramone

    Oh bitch bitch bitch! It worked for the Avengers and if DC/Warner does it right it can work for them too! This writer is just someone who wants to complain and wine like a spoiled child!

  • joshua rathbun

    Is the Hulk a fair comparison to Snyder’s ability to direct? Because his directorial skill is up to debate.

  • Darren

    Here’s what i think.  DC should have never stopped making a Justice league movie.. even before Avengers if there was kinks they should have worked it out! no gave up, only to see Avengers and be like “hey we should do that again”.  The Avengers movie was a success because it had what people wanted to see, their favourite heroes together, it’s why the comics started it’s why the TV show started back when i was a kid.  I WANT to see the Justice League movie made, because i love DC comics, i love the characters, and i don’t think they should change the name at all! be proud of the name justice league, don’t hide it. Because they ARE the Justice League.  Just because they have a name like that doesn’t mean we should throw in the towel and make a camp film.  
    For the Affleck thing, get over it!  There are MILLIONS of writers and MILLIONS of Directors out there that would KILL to get the chance to direct that film, people who have dedicated their lives to comics, WB should look into those smaller lesser known directors, why add padding to some big directors resume, when you could start another directors career?!  I know I’D kill for a chance to Direct the Justice League movie.  
    If Marvel can do it, then DC surely can, DC just needs to get their heads out of their asses and make a new generation of comic fans!  make the heroes awesome without drastically changing their history!  and pissing off the old comic fans.  There’s tons of talent WB, you just need to take a step out of Hollywood to see it. 

  • Tomfitz1

    Hells bells, NO!!!  Just ‘cuz Affleck bailed, doesn’t mean that WB should let Marvel Entertainment get the upper hand on them.

    Make one movie before throwing in the towel.

    Jeez, grow some balls, WB!

  • brandon perlow

    I thought killing the Australian made JL was a bad idea. It will take 3-5 years to set up origin films to set up a JL movie. Why not take a leadership position and spend 200-250 million and make the best JL movie you can make, then spinoff the characters. Right now Wonder Woman works better in the team versus a solo movie. Having the JL fight Darkseid is the way to go. Id like to John Stewart(especially how he was written in the cartoon) cause Im not keen on Hal Jordan. Also pick a new Batman now, so that by 2016 it can spin off into his own movie with the JL universe already established.  You could also have Shazam in the movie , and see how the public takes to him.  I think also Cyborg in the team like the 52 reboot would work well too. You can hire up-and-coming actors and get them to sign affordable contracts, because the money can be spent on FX and filming. Its the characters we want to see, not any particular actor/actress.. PS Id like to see Gina Carano as WW…I think it could work.

  • brandon perlow

    I thought killing the Australian made JL was a bad idea. It will take 3-5 years to set up origin films to set up a JL movie. Why not take a leadership position and spend 200-250 million and make the best JL movie you can make, then spinoff the characters. Right now Wonder Woman works better in the team versus a solo movie. Having the JL fight Darkseid is the way to go. Id like to John Stewart(especially how he was written in the cartoon) cause Im not keen on Hal Jordan. Also pick a new Batman now, so that by 2016 it can spin off into his own movie with the JL universe already established.  You could also have Shazam in the movie , and see how the public takes to him.  I think also Cyborg in the team like the 52 reboot would work well too. You can hire up-and-coming actors and get them to sign affordable contracts, because the money can be spent on FX and filming. Its the characters we want to see, not any particular actor/actress.. PS Id like to see Gina Carano as WW…I think it could work.

  • Stevegus

    A bad movie would be a greater disaster for DC than no movie.  If I were them, I’d stick with what they know they’re good at and put Justice League on the big screen as an animated feature.  I’d have confidence in DC’s ability to pull that off and make something worth seeing in a theatre.  If the live action’s an expensive failure, there go the movies for the rest of the DC hero roster as well.  

  • Boilingman2000

    I agree with everything you had to say except about Howard the Duck because the movie was awesome! 

  • Lewis4510

    If Man of Steel bombs like Green Lantern did I’d say that any chance of a Justice League movie getting made become somewhere between slim and none.

  • Jacochran63

    Aside from Watchmen, WB sucks at making superhero movies that even vaguely resemble the actual comic characters. The Batman movies are monster productions, but Batman works the shadows in tights, not in armor and tanks. I never saw Superman Returns because no one could successfully explain to me where he was retiurning from. Green Lantern….um …did they ever make this one?
    I think WB needs to make some decent character movies (Wonder Woman, Aquaman,)guys  they haven’t ruined yet. Then try to make the big one. Marvel didn’t start w/the Avengers and they tried to fix the Hulk a couple of times before they put him in the Avengers.

    Just my opinion.

  • JP

    Warners problems are that outside of Batman and Superman, are the masses going to support any other DC character movie? If you are going to make movies on the secondary characters they need to be good. They just need to follow the Marvel approach and make a few good movies to lead into their JL movie.

  • Whittington Michael

    Graham I disagree with your article what they should do isrelease the league movie first then the spin offs. Opposite to what marvel did it makes sense and if you saw the extended man of steel trailer from comic con you would have faith in superm abd the connection with modern day audiences

  • Arthur

    You say the word honest way too often

  • Asadf

    CBR, really don’t get their sources checked out. Dumb fucks

  • Jacochran63

    I think your question about the masses supporting secondary DC characters is valid, however Marvel went out on a limb, I thought, with Daredevil and Elektra and certainly Ghost Rider. Not exactly household names, even if comic people know them.

  • D1z0rg4n1z3d

    Who would want Ben Affleck to direct a JLA movie, anyway?  I mean, really?

  • Jacochran63

    It’s the internet. I’m pretty sure you don’t have to get your sources checked.

  • Katarzyna Skop

    I think what the author meant was that, right now, DC doesn’t even have the players.It took Marvel years of planning and five movies to prepare the stage for The Avengers. Over the course of those years and those movies, we got to know the characters. The Avengers wasn’t just about a bunch of people with powers who quickly got together to fight against something because of PLOT. And that’s what the JL movie is looking like, right now. DC has no established movie characters existing in the same universe. No continuity.A team-up movie is not a good place to introduce all the characters. JL should happen, but as a result, not as an entry point.

  • http://twitter.com/serpico71 Chris Kaufman

    I’ve worked in Hollywood when I was young as a runner, and later as a script reader, and have thought a lot about a Jusyoce League movie.  You eloquently put forth thr problem, and eloguently have giveb the example that in universes so vast as the DC one, there are several ways to create an ongoing franchise without calling it justice league.   Unfortunately, so much of the weigtht rested on the success of Green Lantern, and Nolan’s Batman is solidly on a different universe – DC needs to go back and look at a LONG TERM reboot.  STarts with Man of STeel, and remember, not all of Marvel’s movies were good, matter of fact some were pretty darn bad – but the kept throwing them at us until they got the formula right.  And unfortunately, I just don’t see them coming back to GL in a long time.

  • LightningBug

    DCs challenge isn’t the same as Marvel’s, so their strategy shouldn’t be the same either. Marvel didn’t have mass name recognition of it’s biggest heros, so they had to build toward Avengers very methodically. The took their time and it worked brilliantly. DC on the other hand has the two most recognizable superheros in the world. The slow build would be a waste of their time. Putting Batman and Superman in the same film should be enough to have a hit. Make a JL movie, put those two front and center in the marketing, and use the film to re-introduce all of the other characters. It’s the reverse-marvel approach, which might seem riskier, but Batman and Superman are famous enough to make it work. As for a covert JL movie in the middle of another movie without calling them the Justice League? Silly. That plays into the worst instinct that comic movies in general have espoused over the years: fear of their own source material. Avengers proved that comic movies can be true to the source material and be ridiculously successful. I hope studios have now learned that they can call things what they are without people walking out of the theater.

  • Comicmanjgr

    WB only needs the balls to doit, just imagine at the end of Green Lantern a trail of green energy follow for a red and blue one, even if the movie wasnt good enough the buzz that would create, and at the end of TDKR instead of the cafe scene a space shot to the watchtower Batman in the flor of a teleporter after the nuclear explotion and superman and green lantern in front of him

  • LandaDelCarmen

    It could be called The Super Friends. I’m just saiyain.

  • LandaDelCarmen

    Maybe a movie of the trinity and then introduce GL or FLASH or AQUAMAN, I mean, who doesn’t know Wonder Woman, Batman or Superman?

  • Fgruifgeruiogf

    What a ridiculous article.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Casey/623640256 Richard Casey

    They’re making this far more complicated than it needs to be. Man of Steel needs to end with a lead in to the next DC movie. They need a Superman, a new Batman, a Wonder Woman and either a Flash or Aquaman movie. Once they’re done, do Justice League, use it to intro Martian Manhunter and Flash or Aquaman, whichever one hasn’t had a movie yet, and you’re laughing. Plot? Well, Darkseid is an obvious choice, but perhaps it’s a little too close to The Avengers: they could do a variation on The Manhunters, or perhaps a plot involving the super hero types being hunted down and killed/rounded up. If they wanted to get really daring, they could use Zod, have him unleashing an army of Kryptonians upon Earth in an attempt to take the planet as their own and create New Krypton. Sure it sounds like a Superman movie, but in a world where Warners want to make a Justice League movie, having a plot that borrows a lot of elements from the latest entry to the DC movie verse would make a whole lot of sense.

  • http://twitter.com/supamike36 michael thompson

    I think one of the problems with a Justice League movie is that the characters are so powerful that it would be a tough sale.Your average person is gonna say”Why does Superman need these guys?” or “Whats Batman contribute to a group like this?” Superman and WW would probably have to be depowered slightly like Thor was.

  • Fury1978

    just make a fucking Smallville movie and bring back the JL guys from that already…

  • Lastnamecumbie

    Do what marvel did make the solo super hero movies first see how they all do then make a damn JL movie

  • Todd Matthy

    I think they should take the same strategy Marvel did. It worked. And DC’s superheroes are as (if not more) iconic then Marvel’s. What they need are good scripts, like Nolan’s Dark Knight Trilogy did. 

  • http://twitter.com/ComputerSci5 Cory Jameson

    The Green Lantern mythos is a mess now. Thanks to Geoff Johns. The Blackest Night “event” was a creative disaster.

    I’d reboot everything. Superman is already being released next year. Introduce a rebooted Batman (I’d use Snyder & Morrison as the screenplay writers, I think you need both types of batman), introduce Wonder Woman with a heavy Greek Mythology element exactly as seen in Azzarello’s Wonder Woman series and I’d introduce THE FLASH next has a scifi heavy character, John Stewart Green Lantern you have to separate green lantern from the 1st movie debacle (the Guardians should not be seen in the first movies at all).

    DC needs to differentiate itself from the formula of Marvel’s movies. I’d really get Grant Morrison involved in the screenplays of all the movies because DC has to have an weird new approach to these types of movies. I’d also get Frank Quitely involved to help visualize the look of the movie. JLA EARTH 2 is one of the best Justice League stories EVER. 

    DC’s superhero movies should STRONGLY exploit the PARALLEL UNIVERSE aspect of their comics’ universe. They can introduce this concept in the Superman sequel from the phantom zone technologies and wot not.

    The first totally JLA movie should probably be a story involving APOKOLIPS. I’d make APOKOLIPS a PARALLEL EARTH ala Planetary #25. The villains should probably be as fleshed out as the heroes.  That’s one of the HUGE weaknesses of the Marvel movies, their villains’ stories are practically non-existent. 

    The Flash movie can have Wally West or whomever the favorite Flash is at the time uses his speed force vibrator effect accidentally transport him to one of these parallel universes.

    All this is just a rough road map for some really cool DC universe Motion Pictures!

  • http://twitter.com/Arthurknight Michael J

    Yes, quit now while you’re ahead.lol.Warner Bros is like a headless chicken, running around while knocking things over with no idea what so ever of what they are doing.Marvel Comics is literally schooling Dc Comics with their billion dollar Marvel heroes film franchise.It also doesn’t hurt that they’ve got the House Of Mouse backing them up with some cool extra million dollar to get their projects off the ground.Everything at Marvel Comics when it deals with films based off of their characters is all carefully planned out for the long term and their train is not stopping anytime soon.

    Meanwhile Dc Comics who is owned by Warner Bros is left out in the cold, probably wondering when will it be our term to get our projects off the ground daddy? Warner Bros ” Stop asking stupid questions.we’re still fighting over the Superman copyrights.Damn it!”

  • Battan9000

    A JLA movie if done right could be great. A movie about almost anything if done right could be potentialy great. And these are a great set of characters. At the very least as good as The Avengers.

  • http://twitter.com/Greygor Mark

     Marvel has a history of making very good films.

    On the other hand they do have a history of allowing other people to make bad films of their characters.

    A nit picking point perhaps but worth saying.

  • Brandon Mckinnis

    Actually Marvel doesn’t have a history of making bad movies.  Unlike Warners/DC, licensed out it prorperties.  Marvel Studios didn’t begin self producing until 2005, which is why we now have the course of events to led to Avengers.

  • B.C.

    I like the idea of a JL movie that isn’t a “Justice League” movie…a movie that would serve to introduce viewers to DC heroes…would be a different approach than Marvel, interesting and I think, do well with the right writer, director and cast.

    I agree…the climate isn’t right for a straight out JL movie right now. 

    WB needs to establish a movieverse for DC and hit a few properties out of the park first…namely WW, Flash and GL sequel.

    A World’s Finest trilogy with Supes, Bats and WW I think would be the best way to go. I would like to see them firmly established first…then move towards JL. Just my opinion.

  • Tyler

    “to be honest…” “…to be honest” “to be brutally honest” Wow! What an honest guy.

  • orphan

    Sorry folks, this is a bad idea putting this collection of characters on the big screen. Just enjoy the individual moving parts for however many decent films on the screen WB can produce and hope the occassional disaster (Green Lantern,Superman Returns) doesn’t scare away the audience for this sort of thing.Wonder Woman in particular is an awful character and the publics perception of her stems largely from the TV show.JL is not the same as Avengers there is no comparison.Even with Avengers certain characters were juggled around,but in the case of JL there are strong characters and weak ones and only with a massive reconfiguration of characters would I even consider buying a ticket.But after a rejuggling of that magnitude what would be the point?

  • na na batfan

    i would like to see a J.L.A movie with no roll out, they could just have the league already assembled. Using that scenario the leaguers fomula of pairing up and investigating the threat would allow each member to get screen time and develope the characters in an organic way. The hollywood people could then see which characters resonate with audiences and develope solo films in between the inevitable J.L.A sequels. i feel this approach would work because of generations of fans and movie goers have already been exposed to these characters through various forms of media for decades at this point. Solo movies for various characters are difficult to turn into viable franchises because not all of our favorite heros have settings or rogues galleries that may connect with the live action film audiences and for D.C or Marvel it will only take 1 or possibly 2 for audiences to be turned away.

  • Jed

    Yes! Give up Warner Brothers! Let Bruce Timm and Co do their thing and leave the live action stuff to Marvel!

  • Azrael

    Iron Man 2 was as good as Green Lantern. The Incredible Hulk only did a little better than the Hulk which was deemed a financial failure by most. Captain America did OK box office, but not spectacular. Marvel Studios is by no means perfect.

  • Mar64554

    hey writer actually that is a great idea spin of justice league movie from green lantern  that is good way for dc not to be seen as marvel copy cat, casual viewers will think that jl is copy of avengers while avengers work on a comedic level justice league movie don t need to be like that it can take it self more seriously

  • Azrael

    Only the Avengers movie, featuring 4 Marvel characters from 4 individual films, were able to beat Batman at the box office. 4 Marvel characters. Count them. 1 Batman. DC characters are iconic and when treated right are just as relevant, if not more so, than Marvel characters.

  • Azrael

    No one`s forcing you to buy the damn comics.

  • Majid

    they may even first make a superman baman and flash/green lantern team up film then make a justice league film, so let see how audience react to that and since justice league is a very big 7 member team compare to avengers 4-5 core members. i dont think it would be possible to cover al of them in one jl film. how abt making a batman reboot introduce new batman in the superman batman film provided superman man of steel prove successful it just like comics that superman heard of bat creature in gotham and he would think that he may found a meta human like him :)

  • Demoncat4

    given how warners is trying to make the film to get the avengers box office gold of their own and has proven other then superman and batman they really do not know how to do dc characters in ohter media right warners should wait till they can figure out how to do jl so it does not fail like the way marvel did with avengers.  take time plus the fact to get a jl movie done right means warners has to let batman and super man team up on big screen and warners hate that idea due to the thinking it would dilute the franchises. warners needs to take time and do jl right or not at all

  • Azrael

    This is why Cory is not in the film industry. He has shit ideas, and frankly, no talent outside of telling us all how he is so much more talented and knowledgeable than everyone else.

  • Majid

    dc need to get some one like kevin feige to get the ball rolling i mean people at warners had no idea abt green lantern in one design of sinestro in GL film they draw him wit a armored crown like thing to show his warrior side it was mark strong who insisted on staying true to comic book design sigh

  • Zagreus

    It’s a shame Nolan wrapped up his Batman in such a tidy bow, I could see Balebats as the lynchpin of a Justice League franchise, like Iron Man is for the Avengers.  It would give the League automatic credibility.  But, that ship has sailed, apparently…

  • Leewan17

    This writer suffers from the same issues DC suffers from. Insecurity!

    As a marvel guy I’m not ashamed to admit that the Justice League was way more recognizable a name than the avengers. Flash, Aquaman, wonder woman, batman, and super man were far more recognizable names in the minds of the non comic book public than any marvel characters with the exception of spiderman and hulk. The DC characters were recognizable by multiple generations due to decades of tv like spidey and the hulk.

    The reason I say insecurity is DCs backtracking on what it seems as corny. Captain America would never have made it to screen under DC, they would struggle to think a guy wrapped in American patriotism and nationalism would be accepted world wide, but it exceeded expectations over seas.

    Superman is a character with ultimate red state appeal. Truth, liberty, justice, the American way with all the apple pie you can eat, but DC got scared of what made superman so special. Immediately there was controversy before returns hit the theaters, Warner brothers dismisses the American way line and it makes news in drudge, superman was the true captain America to many people. They even give him a son out of wedlock, redestate super hero knocks up Lois and becomes a dead beat dad for five unexplained years.

    The reason these are important is marvel saw no need to update captain America, they found something that everyone could relate to the Steve Rogers and despite ideals that do not match today he’s a man with struggles we can relate too, no need to change his patriotism or ideals. Superman too can have the ideals of a small town Kansas Methodist and still be relatable, but the issue isn’t the values that may be different the issue is Warner brothers and dc get wrapped up in these details and not the story and not the struggles of the man. Superman was unrecognizable to a lot of people in that movie Warner brothers got so busy making a superman that wouldn’t offend the world they butchered the story

  • http://www.facebook.com/peter.hill.564 Peter Hill

     Each of those movies however gained overall positive reviews.

  • Leewan17

    The point of what I wrote wasn’t to say DLC should appeal to red staters the point is, I think DC gets too concerned with perception and how something will be received over seas

  • Rcruz61

    Ben Affleck, isn’t the problem.  If Marvel had given up – no Avengers movie.  Period.  Making a movie ANY movie is a gamble.  If DC is already second guessing itself, then it’s best to get of the game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=713811248 Hector Lugo

    Frankly, DC/Warner needs to get some decent movies out of the gate with these characters first. Yes, Batman was awesome, but that’s it. GL was a bit of a disaster, and we have yet to see Flash or Wonder Woman or even fricking Red Tornado (I would go see the movie, but I’m probably the only one) 

    Hell, with DC’s current fixation on Cyborg (I’ll never understand that) I could see a great movie, with lots of great drama, of a young man who wakes up with gaudy cybernetic body parts to keep him alive. 

    But, no, nothing. Set up a sub unit dedicated to getting the DC Entertainment character out the gate and great, and maybe then you’ll get something you could turn into a Justice League movie. 

  • sandwich eater

    How is Justice League a corny name, but Captain America isn’t?  If you’re embarrassed by the name “Justice League” then maybe superhero movies (and comics) just aren’t for you.

  • RMCarpenter

     Oh, sweet baby Jesus.

  • Austinlangley50

    No they shouldn’t give up. Yes there will be people who compare the movies similarities but why should that stop anyone? Besides it’s not like aliens are the only villian they can come up with.

  • Jman

    no

  • Jame

    Gina Carano is a terrible  actress. Here acting is like a piece wood.

  • RolandusPrime

    Seriously?  This load of crap is all you can come up with?  This is a defeatist and shitty article.  Granted a misstep for CBR but really?

  • ZBaksh386

    i rather see them pull off a good superhero movie outside of Batman first.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nick-Hall/853374196 Nick Hall

    I think you may be confusing your opinion with facts here, dude. Iron Man 2 made $600 million and has a 74% score on RottenTomatoes. Compare that to Green Lantern’s $200 million and 27% score. Whether or not you liked it that much is kind of irrelevant.

  • Bob

    Have Christopher Nolan write and direct the new JLA film.  Bale said he would do another film if Nolan was on-board.  Go with what works!

  • el_caifan

    DC should introduce the new Batman and the justice league in the sequels to the Superman films. They can do what Marvel did, who cares if people say DC copied Marvel.

  • http://twitter.com/PatriotsOfMars Jeff Faria

    WB is better off scouring the world for the next Harry Potter.

  • Cinemajunk3000

    I think a better stealth JL movie would be that the sequel to “Man of Steel”, turns out to be a Batman teamup

  • falcon1

    The fact that making a JL movie would be difficult goes without saying and it would take more than just following the same formula that Marvel did in bringing the Avengers to the screen. Here’s a few obversations from another grumpy old fan that should be considered:1. Get rid of the tone of self-importance. DC has a bad habit of trying to instill a sense of reverence in their superhero movies that shouldn’t be there. Marvel pulled this off by making their characters approachable. Giving them or those around them a sense of humor and keeping the overall tone light. DC has done the exact opposite in their films. Ever since Richard Donner made the first Superman film, we’ve been told that these characters require some form of honor from the movie-going public. Even the Nolan films did this to a certain degree. If the story and the challenge the characters face is great enough, the fans will honor them in their own right. After finally seeing a trailer of Man of Steel, I’m afraid we may be headed down the same path with this film as well. I hope I’m wrong. I’d like to see Man of Steel become the first in a series of films for DC Entertainment that treats the characters with respect but not because of the near eighty years behind the character but because of what he does in the two and a half hours on-screen.

    2. Planning, planning, planning. To make this all work, there has to be a plan. Marvel may have found success with the first Iron Man, but they already had a sequel in the works and the inclusion of Nick Fury at the end showed they weren’t going to sit around and wait to see how well this film did before moving forward. For DC, they have to be willing to do the same. Actually, not DC, but Warners. They have to be willing to make the committment. If The Avengers has taught us anything, its that having a studio who willing to make a long-term committment will, in the end, pay off big time. Warners has go to follow suit even if it means taking their knock at the box office on one or two films. Some of the characters of the JL just aren’t suitable to carry an entire solo film on their own. I know that may be heresy to say that but it’s true. Obviously, Superman, Batman, even Wonder Woman could do so. But that may not be the case with The Hawks or The Atom. Second teir characters like the Flash and Green Lantern are a crap shoot. If done right, most fans would welcome them with open arms, but if not (as in the case of GL) you wind up with utter failure. But either way, DC Entertainment (notice I’m not saying Warners) has got to decide who should be in the JL and then how they can make solo films to lead up to that if they decide to go the Marvel route.

    3. DC Entertainment has got to be given cart blanche on their films. Studio execs would be best served if they kept away from the production and just sign the checks. Get someone who can guide these stories into a tapestry that will culminate in the JL film. I favor Bruce Timm for the job because he’s done such a great job with the animated adventures. Either way though, it’s got to be someone who has the cahonies to tell the studios to butt out. I still believe this is what led to the failure of Green Lantern. Again, it will pay off in the end.

    4. Get the right talent for the job. One of the things Marvel has done right is they got the right people to direct, write, and star in their films and bring an identity to them on their own. It doesn’t require a Geoff Johns or an Alan Moore to write a film for it to be a success, but at least give it to someone who understands the characters and can bring something new to the table with them. One of the reasons I’m happy to see Zach Snyder on Superman. And also, you don’t need to have A-list stars playing these characters either. Marvel didn’t and they turned out good. They took actors who were either unknown or somewhat known and surrounded them with great talent instead. Look at Thor or Captain America for a good example of this.

    5. And finally, create a universe where heroes exist. Don’t go for real-world settings. Metropolis is not New York City and Gotham City is not Chicago. Too many times we’ve seen this attempted and it’s just led to problems. And also, make this world one where heroes are known to each other or at least to the fans. I’m reminded of Frank Millers’ line from Year One where Afred Pennyworth says “Next you’ll take up flying like that fellow in Metropolis.” That’s all it will take, not a cross-over per se, just a mention, a name drop, something to ackknowledge that there are other heroes out there doing the same thing. Even Marvel didn’t do this, although they were sly about how they were able to do it anyway (Cap’s shield in Tony Stark’s lab, the android Human Torch at the Stark Expo in Captain America, and of course, the mention of the Super-soldier project in The Incredible Hulk as well as all the weapondry from Stark Industries in the same film are all good examples). You don’t need a Nick Fury / SHIELD character running around each film, but if you decide to go that route, my vote would be for it to be J’onn J’onzz who would show up at some point in each solo film warning of a coming danger or something along those lines. Let him be the character that draws them all together.

    Those are just some ideas that I think would go a long way toward getting a JL franchise off the ground. By my reconing, if you use Man of Steel as a starting point, introduce a solo character film six months later or so after that, culminating with a reboot of Batman, you could have a JL film in theatres no later than 2017. And that would be pushing it at best.

    Any thoughts?

  • SHAWN

    The first thing that needs to happen is DC/Warner Bros needs to realize their Justice League movie will be mercilessly compared to The Avengers from now until the end of time. And that their JL film will never ever EVER be as popular with the critics, the fans, and financially as successful as The Avengers. If they had pulled their heads out of their asses 5 years ago, it could’ve been The Avengers being compared time and again to that ultra super mega blockbuster Justice League Of America. But it is not meant to be.

  • MetalArtois

    There are a few things with this JLA film that could easily work. The first problem though is introducing everyone. They all need a new film, mainly because a few films like Green Lantern were really not that good and it all has to fit story wise and link up, otherwise whats the point of getting them together? Also you would want the same actors playing the cast and as Bale wont play Batman again…its important they remake it (but last). This though i reckon is vital…the rumour is that its coming out in 2015….i seriously hope not as that would ruin it. 

    After Superman and Aquaman are done…(as i think there is a trailer for Aquaman?) Re-make Lantern, make Flash, then Wonder Woman (that HAS to be cast well) and then do Batman last and as long as that Batman works in the style of the others, there is no problem. 

    Also ill just make a few points for people to consider: 

    1. Those of you worried that Superman is to powerful, fear not…they have actually dumbed his powers down for his new movie…just not sure how much. Also apart from Lex Luthor…he fights some seriously powerful enemies that a lot of the time he cant fight entirely alone. His enemies usually pound him into the floor and he doesnt usually beat a lot of them without outside help somewhere.

    2. Some people mentioned Batman and Superman not fitting into the same world….thats kind of the point, they are pretty much opposite in a lot of ways, which is a perfect way to cause some tension/drama. For example, Superman is the ‘boy scout’ and cant hurt Lex….Batman however wouldnt mind bending the rules and giving Lex a beating if need be…which would cause tension between the two…Wonder Woman has abit of a temper to and she can hurt Superman so thats another possible one. Also the JL was full of people who were all very, very different anyway….thats why you need the individual movies. 

    3. If they manage to get a great bad guy…(thats actually something Avengers didnt do in my opinion) then imagine the action scenes. Imagine if Imperiex was the villain! He was an interesting one in my opinion and also has a great reason for a group of heroes to get together, as thats what happened in that series…they even got Doomsday in to help in that one! I could probably see it being Darkseid though, but i think Imperiex is a larger catalyst for the JLA to form, as he destroys galaxies in one go. I have no idea, but it would put them a step ahead if they got a Villain that was explained and actually feared. I mean Loki was shit, the Hulk could of ended that film in one scene it turned out in the end. If they get that right, thats a massive thing. 

    4. Christopher Nolan is essentially worshipped by WB now, they asked him to be the ‘Godfather’ of the DC films….although he has said his involvement with Superman is minimal…he is a smart guy and i would hope that WB and DC can persuade Goya and Jonathan Nolan to write more of the films, there shouldnt be as much cheese as their was in most of the Marvel stuff…hopefully slightly more ‘adult’. However Nolan wont be doing that much, at the very least he could keep it on the right track. 

    Im just throwing ideas around in my head, we will know more when Superman comes out i imagine! It just seems that they have a chance to improve on what Marvel did and i hope they use that advantage and do it well. 

  • MetalArtois

    I agree with nearly all of what you say, although i like the idea of places being set in real world citys. I just made a comment above (MetalArtois) kind of supports what you say. 

  • http://twitter.com/RAZORLAND Razorland

    Worried about accusations of stealing Marvel’s thunder?  DC/Warner’s don’t give a damn about that! Didnt they hire Bryan Singer after ‘X-Men’ and Ryan wuts-his-face after staring as Deadpool?

    And not calling it ‘Justice League’?  For what reason again?

    I’m pretty sure Warner isnt going to go by what this author would like to see happen, and thank god for that.

  • Faustino Perez

    Okay, DC Entertainment, here’s the plan –

    1. WORLD’S FINEST – Superman/Batman. Together. In one movie. It obviates the need to reboot Batman in a separate film. And they don’t fight a “world-shaking threat”, they’re just the only two guys (that we know about) that can handle the threat the film is about. And for THAT, I would use time travel OR parallel universe(s). Supes and Bats fighting evil versions of themselves? WANT!
    The kicker at the end of the film introduces Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman does not get her own film. That train has sailed. *Note – my main complaint with Avengers was a dearth of Easter eggs. DC has a major advantage over Marvel in this case, in that they own the rights to all of their characters. So you pack this one with as many references to as many places in the DC Universe as you can. Ivy Town, Star City, Coast City, not just Metropolis and Gotham. Show AND Tell that this is not our world; it’s similar to our world but here, there’s a guy in Central City who fights crime by running real fast, whom everyone loves and look, here’s footage on the news of a frozen bank vault but don’t worry, folks, the Flash took care of it. (The Flash movie was also on that train that sailed. Sorry, fanboys, suck it up.) 

    2. The JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA – NOW we bring in the “world-shaking threat”, WHICH IS NOT DARKSEID. It’s Starro the Conqueror. (And yes, he’s a giant starfish from outer space. Why do you ask? Ever read Lovecraft? Those things are pants-shittingly terrifying.) Mind Kontrol, on a global scale. The three of them will never be able to handle it themselves – they’ll need help. AND JUST LIKE THAT, they get it. From J’Onn J’Onzz, who assembles Flash, John Stewart and Aquaman to help combat the threat. How and why – JJ’s been hiding on Earth ever since he was “kidnapped” by kindly-but-insane Dr. Erdel, whose use of matter transportation tech drew Starro to Earth in the first place. So he feels responsible and HE unites the team, with the trinity, to make the whole. Again, more Easter eggs than you can shake a stick at – Midway City (home of Hawkman), billionaire industrialist Ollie Queen is asked for comment etc, etc. Obviously, they beat Starro and decide to stay together. Ends with the construction of either the satellite or the Watchtower. (This is a different world, remember? A moonbase would appeal to citizens of DC Earth. They would think it perfectly normal.)

    3. NOW is the time for the solo films. Reboot GL, with John Stewart. MAYBE Flash and Wondy. Always allude to the fact that there are heroes and no one finds this particularly worrying or strange – they’re just there, they’re like American Idol contestants or celebrities. Fleeting intros to B- and C- list heroes like Firestorm, Red Tornado, Black Canary. Make it seem like we got so many heroes, they’re like Pokemons. Try to spot every reference, fanboys. *Note – for God’s sake, make the references organic to the story and not just “LOOK! That gang member is Vibe!”

    4. JUSTICE LEAGUE 2 (Electric Boogaloo – the League fights to save the community centre) – see, the thing about The JLA is that they have a murderer’s row of villains (no pun intended). Prof. Ivo, the Lord of Time, The Key, numerous alien races (Appellaxians, etc), hell even Kanjar Ro or the Crime Syndicate. Pick one and go to town. *Note – I SAID ONE. An important rule of screenwriting that is always forgotten in superhero movies is “Never water down the bad guy by having more than one bad guy.”

    Do this. Then relax on a pile of money.

    Of course, this is the company that made Catwoman, Superman Returns and JONAH HEX (JONAH HEX DOES NOT TALK TO DEAD PEOPLE. HE CREATES DEAD PEOPLE. “His two constant companions, DDeath and the acrid smell of gunsmoke.) So we’ll probably either a) never see any movies from them, as they are pathologically afraid to commit or b) see a TERRIBLE movie because that’s what they’re good at – failing spectacularly.

    We didn’t need to know anything other than “A long time ago in a galaxy far,far away” to enjoy the first Star Wars movie. It wasn’t until it got ret-conned into being Episode freaking 4 that all our troubles began. Plus, aren’t we ALL geeks now? We’ve had 20+ years of superhero films (of *ahem* varying quality) so the audience will get it. Civilians will look to us fanboys (and girls) to explain “Hey, who’s THAT guy?” and we’ll all get laid, in the immortal words of Rodney Dangerfield.

    PS – Nolan’s films actually weren’t about Batman, did you know that? They were about James Bond in a leather dress. And they were terrible, all of them, a fundamental misunderstanding of the character, the genre, the source material and about eight other things. Like dialogue, dramatic tension etc, etc.

  • http://twitter.com/mjkuhns Matt Kuhns

    Graeme, just because everyone else is trashing your article and/or building detailed fantasy movie “roadmaps,” I’ll post to say YES.

    They should give up on a Justice League movie.

    The best reason being that the whole Iron Man – Thor – Captain America – ta daaa The Avengers movie deathmarch was very possibly the most ruthlessly cynical, artificial, bottom-line ROI-driven exercise in all cinematic history. There was not one spark of genuine creative inspiration in that entire training course for Good Consumer Behavior.

    The only way I can think of to seem even more heartlessly contemptuous of source material as well as audience, and more soulless and creatively bankrupt, would be to intentionally COPY the whole gimmick step by step. Marvel, at least, demonstrated some measure of cynical cunning in putting together their clockwork schlockfest, tasteless as it may have been. For DC to imitate the process would be like a student who copies test answers from a friend who stole them out of the teacher’s desk; the friend is dishonest and lazy but at least demonstrated cleverness, wheres the other student is dishonest, lazy AND incapable of original thinking.

  • 0bsessions

    “dc need to get some one like kevin feige to get the ball rolling”
    Dini and Timm. Those two are easily the best candidates.

  • http://twitter.com/bhashthur Bhashthur Veeratha

    Superfriends the Movie!

  • Chaim Mattis Keller

    I’ll add my vote to the one – and I can’t believe it’s only been one – person to say that they should take the universe they built in the Smallville TV show and grow that into a Justice League franchise.

  • jsmith0552

    Sure the Avengers was great, but at least two of the individual films suffered because they were just prequels to the Avengers.  Sure the Avengers was going to happen, but Captain America needed at least two films set in WWII before he went into the deep freeze.  Fans of Cap know that the death of Bucky always bothered Cap, but now they’re doing a Winter Soldier theme as Cap’s second film, and we haven’t seen him give Bucky a second thought.  Iron Man II could have been as good as the first but they didn’t let Favre do the story he wanted, because it had to tie-in to The Avengers. Watch that without the weight of the Avengers holding them down, both Cap II and IM III will be superior films. The things that paid off the most in the Avengers was knowing the backstory and of all these characters beforehand.  DC has a chance to get it right.  Sure put off a Justice League film for now, but work on giving us solid, independent films for each character that make us really care about them, and then put it all together.

  • Mike Liggett

    To be honest, let’s be honest!

  • Convoy

    I think one of the main reasons why a Justice League movie isn’t in the works is because the WB doesn’t want to be seen as just copying Marvel. Plus the fact that for whatever reason, they can’t even get a Wonder Woman, Flash or Green Arrow movie made. We have Clash and Wrath of the Titans, Immortals, and Percy Jackson, and they can’t get a Wonder Woman movie made? I also think it has something to do with Marvel’s characters being a bit more relateable and likeable. As far as movies and television goes, the only two characters who have been a constant for DC has been Superman and Batman. You had Wonder Woman for a few years, and The Flash for his one season. Superman and Batman have been in movie serials. Superman has had three shows, five movies and four cartoon shows. Batman had the 60′s show, eight films, guest stared on Scooby Doo, and five animated shows. For the rest of the DCU, there has been the Super Friends, Super Powers, Plastic Man and Shazam, and then nothing until Justice League. It just looks like DC has an issue marketing the rest of their roster unless their tied to a team.

  • Henryjvs

    I think it would be a lot safer if WB just makes a Bard Bird directed CGI-movie of DC’s KINGDOM COME! I know I would love to see that on the big screen! 

  • Mobey_wee

    A Justice League movie might not be as good as The Avengers, possibly the best super hero comic movie to date. So you just don’t even try to make the movie? Seriously? By that logic movies should have stopped after Jurassic Park, because no movie will ever beat it.

    And the first big name director who is RUMORED to be considering the movie decides against it, so it’s doomed? Wow. You write about this kind of thing often, one would assume you might have a tiny clue as to how it works, but apparently not.

  • Thad Boyd

    “Past history” is probably my third-favorite tautology, after “pairs of two” and “over-exaggerated”.

  • Mr_Wayne

    @Lyle, I didn’t even bother reading the article. Just came to say thank you for this post. DON’T READ THE ARTICLE JUST READ THIS POST PEOPLE. It makes no sense to wonder if a JLA movie will work when we have Avengers in theaters. Get out of your own fanboy way of thinking. There are several examples in Hollywood where there were difficult movies made that had NOTHING to do w/ a comic book. Grow up people. Justice League is VERY possible.

  • Zenstrive

    Just make it Animated CG.

  • Zenstrive

    Wonder Woman can be geared up just like the Lynda Carter’s show: campy, humorous, but plenty of actions. Men love actions!

  • Brian from Canada

    Avengers can’t be used as an example. Avengers didn’t have the name recognition. Outside of the Hulk, none of the other characters had been in more than telefilms — poor ones of at least two decades past.

    Whereas Justice League has that for over half the characters. Superman and Batman are two of the most popular characters in film: serials, cartoons, four live actions series for Supes and one for Bats, and movies that includes what many consider to be the templates of superhero feature films for years. Bale was compared to Clooney, Clooney to Kilmer and Keaton, Keaton to West, etc.

    Add posters and DVDs, and the audience can’t forget the Reeves Superman or Carter Wonder Woman. Hell, early complaints about Arrow show just how much Justin Hartley has mixed in with our consciousness thanks to Smallville.

    In order for WB to do Justice League, they have to make that realization first.

    Then, they have to realize that they are left with a choice: either create new, definitive versions of the characters for the Justice League that are INDEPENDENT of the past, or ignore the Marvel method and go with one big film of the basic heroes.

    INDEPENDENT being the key. Because right now, WB’s biggest problem is that it keeps looking to the past movies as if one success explains all failures. The solution for Green Lantern and Superman has been “darker, more action” because that “worked” for Batman — even though it didn’t work financially for The Watchmen.

    The Justice League’s best incarnations in animation build up on a version of the character that accepts for other heroes, much like Smallville does. VERY few other versions do.

  • Tophman

    I think the problem with the Justice League film WB wants is because they want to cash in on the idea that banding heroes together in the big screen equates to big bucks.

    Look at why Marvel Studios has succeeded: they care about their characters and the stories they’re telling first and foremost (at least for the first outings of their films). They want the fans to be happy and are banking on the fact that we in turn will respond with $$$ in the boxoffice & other film-related revenue streams.

    WB on the other hand is in the business of making films to make money. As producers, they dictate the film’s run, how much to spend on what, etc… all in service of their bottom line. Why was the new Batman trilogy a success? Because WB took their hands off the reins and let Nolan run with it (of course they did that before with Singer and see where it got them).

    Green Lantern would’ve been a great film (it had its moments)… if they’d just cut out/down the Hammond storyline and focused on Hal (not to mention nix Parallax… yeesh… they could’ve used the Weaponers of Qward – focus on the friendships/training he had with his mentors – Qward attacks & Hal saves the day to cement his place in the corps, then lead into Sinestro’s fall from grace for the sequel, and ultimately go into the Sinestro Corps War for the end of the trilogy).

    The point I’m trying to make (I think) is that Time-Warner needs to build a DC Studios division (or give DCE more independence) that will be in charge of making and marketing the movies. The folks in that studio should have the power to make movies we as fans want to see. Concentrate on the story rather than bringing big-name directors or actors into it. This way, you keep the budget in control and have a unified vision that could someday lead to a Justice League movie.

    Doing a Justice League movie for the sake of doing a Justice League movie is just a recipe for disaster.

  • MetalArtois

    DC wouldnt be doing anything wrong by copying what Marvel did. How else can you get people to care about the characters without doing solo movies? What other way round can you do it? Make the JL film first and you would get a bunch of people going “so what? who are these people?” make the individual films first and people moan that its copying Marvel. Tough? there is no other way to do it really. 

  • http://twitter.com/DanielReynes Daniel N. Reynes

    Offer Bryan Fuller anything he wants to run the show. He’s the only one with the vision, interest and talent left who hasn’t graduated to film yet like JJ and Whedon has. None of these three guys are the same at all, but they all share that passion, creativity, imagination and the ability to handle MULTIPLE characters organically in this exact genre.

  • MetalArtois

    They shouldnt even be considering a JL movie until at least 2017. Bryan Fuller isnt a bad shout though 

  • TefferMcG

     Shhyeah, GL was a TERRIBLE movie! :(

  • FredII

    I’ld say you have a better shot breaking out of the Avengers Shadow by scrapping the whole Avengers model.  Rather than building the story from the bottom up, individual heroes have their stories, meet and fight great evil, start your story from the perspective that the characters are in a super powered world with a massive organization (The JLA) coordingating their efforts, and then focus on the conflicts between heroes, between the societies they protect, and the difficuties there in.  

    You tell the story primarily from the perspective of an audience surrogate, (human level hero) seemingly out of his depth but with a great moment to shine (Bat Man is an obvious choice, but may be too mythic, I’m thinking booster, blue beatle or Green Arrow, who has been testing well of late).

    Your overall villain could be apocolypse, or more intelegently (to avoid comparisons to the Avengers) an earth bound human power distrustful of the super human community (Waller or Lex).  You do all the universe building in a massive wiz bang spectical then spin off your best characters into their own films. 

    Superman, Wonderwoman, Flash, and Batman are all there, as the godlike heroes we know and love, but you need that guy from the neighborhood in the mix to translate the story to the audience.

    You really want to get bold, you set the story up where the hero isn’t quite clear, is it Waller and her shaowy organization (I like the idea of an Amanda Waller Nick Fury paralell) that is trying to control the heroes or the largely unaccountable heroes themselves.

    If you open your story in metropolis, gleaming city of tomorrow, superheroes become second nature, and you don’t need to explain why they would form a union and buracracy, it just makes sense.  Then tell an amazing human story about people who are super human.

    That’s my idea anyway.

  • MetalArtois

    I get where your coming from. The problem is you cant just have Lex as the villain, if you have Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Lantern etc then they have to at some point use their powers. I can only imagine that they will probably use Darkseid. Although i did say Imperiex would be cool. Lex would have to be in collaboration with another villain. You cant use Doomsday really. Id like Lex to be behind it all….but having said that, if the story was told from Lex’s point of view, that could work. 

    Its almost impossible to tell what route it will go down until The Man Of Steel is out. I have high hopes fro that film, i really hope it doesnt suck. As long as all the films link in and make sense and are done in a way where it all fits it should be fine. Get the same actors in and have a decent villain. 

    Its a brave man who tries to attempt to make this film. 

  • orphan

    No, they are not. Only Batman has any visibility with the general public thanks to Nolan.Superman is a tired old fart and past his prime and Wonder Woman is just plain ridiculous.

  • Thad Boyd

    That seems to be the prevailing wisdom.  I don’t really know why, other than “People just saw Avengers and that’s how far back their attention span goes.”

    Sony’s made at least two good Spider-Man movies (I haven’t seen Amazing yet); Fox made 3 good X-Men movies.

    Marvel Studios has its share of movies that did a middling job at the BO and/or with critics: Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Captain America, Thor.  Punisher: War Zone was Marvel too and was an outright flop.

    Granted, Marvel hasn’t done anything as bad as Daredevil or Elektra.  But even with those stinkers (and the Fantastic Four movies), Fox has done all right; even with Spider-Man 3 and Ghost Rider, Sony’s done all right too.

  • Daydreamer8636

    I agree well said.

  • Stevendunetz

    I hope we see Tom Welling in this new Green Lantern Movie! He was going to be in the first movie. What happened I don’t know! Superman in this movie for a cameo not a bad idea if it’s Welling!