Sam Raimi Explains Why
Spider-Man 4 Didn’t Happen

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Sam Raimi Explains Why <br /><i>Spider-Man 4</i> Didn’t Happen  

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It’s been a long time since Spider-Man 4 fell apart, and Sam Raimi is still upset about it. But he’s finally ready to talk about it.

The director tells Vulture he was a bit exhausted with the “tremendous amount of delegation” needed to make “gigantic” movies like the Spider-Man films. However, it ultimately came down to an inability to get together a suitable story that led him to pass on a fourth installment of the blockbuster franchise.

“It really was the most amicable and undramatic of breakups: It was simply that we had a deadline and I couldn’t get the story to work on a level that I wanted it to work,” he said of his split with Sony Pictures. “I was very unhappy with Spider-Man 3, and I wanted to make Spider-Man 4 to end on a very high note, the best Spider-Man of them all. But I couldn’t get the script together in time, due to my own failings, and I said to Sony, ‘I don’t want to make a movie that is less than great, so I think we shouldn’t make this picture. Go ahead with your reboot, which you’ve been planning anyway.’”

He continued, “[Sony co-chairman] Amy Pascal said, “Thank you. Thank you for not wasting the studio’s money, and I appreciate your candor.” So we left on the best of terms, both of us trying to do the best thing for fans, the good name of Spider-Man, and Sony Studios.”

Raimi still hasn’t seen Marc Webb’s The Amazing Spider-Man or Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight Rises, but he did say he has nothing but love for both projects. In fact, he had originally looked at Anne Hathaway to play Felicia Hardy, character Webb is rumored to be incorporating into The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and an actress that Nolan used in The Dark Knight Rises.

“I’m not surprised [Hathaway did great in TDKR], because I loved what she was doing with the auditions for Spider-Man 4,” Raimi said.

One movie he has seen is Joss Whedon’s The Avengers, and he “loved it.” It turns out that he has a bit of a history with Joss Whedon, who Raimi finds an “extraordinarily talented filmmaker.”

“In 1994, I was making a western called The Quick and the Dead and having a script problem, and I came to the studio and said, ‘Can you find me a writer? I’ve shot this movie, and the end isn’t quite working,’” Raimi recalled. “Ultimately, the movie didn’t quite work. But they suggested Joss Whedon, who was doing Buffy, so I met Joss and he saw the movie, and he helped me solve this ending in one afternoon. I thought, ‘Damn, you’re a good writer! I wish I could have had you rewrite the whole movie and save this picture!’”

He continued, “I’ll never forget how good he was, and how precise, so when I saw The Avengers, I was not surprised that his name was on it. It’s a very hard job to take all those heroes and all those stories and know exactly what bits the audience needs and what they don’t need.”

  • super guest

    you guys are really angry…..it seems as if you had a good amount of money invested in the success of these movies! its almost like….you guys are still waiting for your royalty checks!

  • jobe

    nope, i agree with him, spiderman was the better movie of all the superhero films so far, sure the batman films are great, but they never had the same impact spiderman did when it came out, it was literally perfect down to a T and couldnt have been a better comic book movie, dark knight is an adaptation of batman really, and as much as it is amazing, it has ALOT of flaws in it, spiderman didnt.

  • shaun

    Needs to take it down three notches? for such a short post… ok then, definately are a troll it seems

  • Leetality

    Ryan took two roles in different universes.. what conflict was there? Same concept with Batman (DC) vs Spider-man (Marvel). A better comparison would be the recent Captain America being the same guy who played the Human Torch.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/MJ-Butler/1128803301 MJ Butler

    You need to re-read the paragraph. Hathaway isn’t going to be in Amazing Spider-Man 2. The character Felicia Hardy might, played by a different actress.

  • Tonus

    The newest Bay flick, “Pain & Gain” is the type of movie that he was born to make. I really don’t like the guy, but give this movie a chance. Yeah, there’s shit blowing up, everywhere in it, but at least in this movie, it makes sense.

  • Tyler

    Im sorry I disagree with that. I take nothing away from Raimi but dude seriously Tobey Maguire, you don’t come back from that end of conversation. Marc Webb did ok, but I feel even he ruined the Lizard character but again not an easy character to do, but Raimi did a horrible casting of his films and Andrew Garfield was a great choice. The next Amazing Spiderman will be much better with having Chronicle main star Dane DeHaan to be Harry Osborn, Shailene Woodley as Mary-Jane Watson the idea of the web shooting directly from his arms was a ridiculous concept and should have been scrapped after the first one. Also the villian choices weren’t that strong either I mean Green Goblin 1 was good, and Dafoe did it justice, but Doc Oct was a bad fit, and Sandman was just Blah! and Topher Grace as Venom WTF! so all around bad moves on Raimi’s part and its good to know he left with “good graces” ….lol….

  • jwilson1717

    Well Reynolds did also play Hannibal King in a Marvel Universe film. But, the Human Torch is the same guy as Captain America, and nobody seems to care, so what difference does it make?

  • Leetality

    To be fair he was a supporting character in the worst of the Blade films and it was a good while ago. There’s talk of a Fantastic Four reboot as well to recast someone else as Torch anyway. Heh.

  • Sasha Soetoro

    Oh c’mon.. I expect slightly more outrage from comic fans.. people were tired of these crappy, comic-based movies, before they even started making them.. They talked about making X-Men and Spiderman movies for about 30 years before they finally did- and look at what we got.. laughable garbage. All of these movies stink. They’re admittedly made for movie addicts, not fans of the actual product. Same goes for the Star Trek movies (especially the new ones)..

    Stop supporting heartless movie producers. The word ‘reboot’ doesn’t give them a free pass to repeatedly defecate on once-entertaining ideas. Also, how about some real, working actors, who actually resemble the characters, instead of the same old Hollyweird faces. Next to Hugh Jackman as Wolverine and Halle Barry as Storm, I’d have to say that Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane was just about the stupidest casting decision I’ve ever seen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000212349240 John Wl

    The last spider-man movie was just plain god awful

  • http://www.facebook.com/inash3 Ian Nash

    still find it amazing that even after a 100 years of Hollywood that they still cannot write a story and then a script. I know I am not in the industry but surely you sit down look at the ceiling and imagine stuff then write it down then discuss. I get the feeling that the process is actually more closer to “I have a great idea for a set piece which brings nothing to the film but would look good in 3D”. I really do not understand how the creative process can be so difficult but I accept it as they screw up my own favourite TV shows or Film brands etc. Something needs to change as I have only watched a couple of films this year compared to a few dozen in previous years. Thanks for listening

  • Pants

    I thought that The Quick and the Dead was great! Top 100 on my Flikchart.

  • christina

    tobey mcguire by far was the best spider man because if u read the comics, the original comics ,peter parker was a quirky nerd .not a discusting beaver looking jock like garfield i sat through 5 minutes of the amazing spiderman and threw up because they ruined an american classic now with the nolan batman movies the last one completly sucked except for maybe 5 scenes the dark knight by far was the best of the series due to ledgers performance as the joker he carried it nicely scarecrow in batman begins was fan fucking tastic michelle phiffer in the burton bat man film was a far better cat woman than anne anne is a great actress but is no cat woman no one mentioned electra daredevil as good comic movies and i cant say this enough they need to make a WONDER WOMAN MOVIE she deserves one and i think in the wonder woman movie if anyone saw the tv show from back inthe day i forget her name but she should play wonder womans amazonian guide i forgot one of the main characters in her comic but all i remember is she was a high preistess or a ms marvel movie any of the ladies would be a nice change of pace and the real challenge is for hollywood not to over sexualize them like the pigs they are i feel girls deserve good role models and wonderwoman is one of those role models

  • christina

    most of this was by the look and perfromance of the characters resembling there comic character as closely to how it was portrayed in the comic itself and what does anyone think of ian mccellan and patrick stewart in xmen personally i loved them both was just wondering

  • http://www.facebook.com/olga.alexeyevna Olga Alexeyevna Petrova

    I’m gonna have to disagree with all of you!! I love The Avengers because it had all the amazing superheroes except for spider-man :( but all the superheroes have their own journey and each of them have special powers and are all amazing!!

  • picnicfun

    I would have liked to hear him say Tobey McGuire would have been Spiderman in the 4th installment.

  • HouseGang22

    i grew up watching spiderman and all of thm I like, not saying number three was good, but hey its spiderman.. i think marc webb is doing ok with the franchise so far, the amazing spiderman was good in my eyes.. i do wish sam Raimi could have done a fourth so that maybe it can be ” the best spiderman” of them all..

  • HouseGang22

    i agree with u 100% i didnt like anything about “rises”.. it just sucked

  • Cata Ra

    i think mr. raimi should keep searching for scriptwriter to finish spiderman 4 with tobey maguire.

  • pickME

    You should have known that when “The Evil Dead” was being made and released close to your comment date. Raimi said he would not do another because the unknown video games took the story over, but he find good hands to place The Evil Dead into, and I would say his production company and the director chosen did a great job.

  • hi

    I would give Wall-E far more credits than both…

  • opinionated_chica

    the reboot was horrible, and I’m not even sorry for saying that

  • Trent Cannon

    I can point out one giant flaw. Tobey Maguire.

  • WINChesterz

    Blade built the ground work, X-men built up on it, Blade II was a masterpeice and spider-man 2 just kicked it out of the water.

  • WINChesterz

    No its because if you ever read the Spider-m4n outline you can tell he was tired, the studio pretty much had him strong arm and spider-man films take a lot out of you. TASM film is crap. Garfield is a good actor jsut a terrible peter parker and an okay spider-man.

  • Lance

    I could say the more we see from Tim Burton though the more Batman and Batman Returns were just Tim Burton movies that happened to center around a DC Comics series called Batman and be just as accurate as you are. Batman has gone through to many changes and iterations to claim there’s one definitive version of Batman so it’s hard for me to say Nolan’s movies are a separate entity mildly associated with the character. I would argue that Nolan’s series was much closer to classic Batman stories like The Long Halloween and The Dark Knight Returns than anything Burton did with the series, but I give credit to Burton for rescuing the Batman brand in the general populace from the campy incarnations of Adam West and Super Friends albeit with a huge assist from Frank Miller.

  • tigerianwinter

    Spiderman 4 couldn’t be made because of how poorly spiderman 3 was done. Waaay too much was done in S3 and we saw yet another green goblin. Because of that repeat, both Sandman AND Venom were both brought in. The biggest battle of a heroes life should always take more from him than he has to give. And that simply wasn’t the case with S3 with the green goblin 2 switching teams. It was a mess, and although dramatic, only so in a spectacular sense, not an emotional one.

  • Superheroes are fags

    Bunch of faggots, arguing over gay superheroes..lol

  • I Love Red

    I disagree. He is one of the things that made it so good. Parker is supposed to be a dorky wise-ass and he played him perfectly. Kirsten Dunst is another story. I loved the first Spiderman movie but 2 wasn’t very good and 3 was somewhere in between.

  • jkredwine

    Blade? Blade was not a phenomenon at the same level as the Spider-Man films by any stretch of the imagination. The first Blade film made, what, like $70 million domestically? Spider Man (2002) pulled in like $400 million domestically. The blade films were no more successful or influential than Burton’s Batman films. The only credit they deserve is in showing that adaptations can work even with comicbook characters that aren’t super popular.

    It was the combined success of Raimi’s Spider-Man and Singer’s X-Men in the early aughts that launched the new generation of superhero films. Norrington’s Blade showed that comic book movies weren’t completely dead after Batman and Robin, but it still took 5 years to see them take off again. And that was ONLY thanks to Raimi’s film.

  • jkredwine

    Great reply! Thanks for this!

    It’s one thing when a director/screenwriter/actor has an obvious apathy for the franchise or characters. Or when their personal egos get in the way of telling a good story. But I think it’s always been clear that Raimi’s vision simply never made it to the screen and that he was as unhappy with the film as the fans, if not much more so as you say.

  • jkredwine

    Not saying the Blade films weren’t good or crucial to the development of a Marvel film universe, but they certainly don’t deserve any credit for building any kind of mainstream fan base or proving viability. Those films never broke $100 million domestically.

  • Trent Cannon

    The thing is, he didn’t play the wise ass very well at all. The new Amazing Spiderman much more accurately displayed Spiderman in my opinion. He made jokes, made fun of people and was the epitome of dorky wiseass. The only thing Tobey Maguire got right was dorky. He did that to an overabundance. To the point where I couldn’t even stand him, and I’m a dork.

  • shaun

    really hate when they reboot a franchise,such a shame that spiderman 4 never happened..