Marvel and Fox Reportedly in ‘Stand-Off’ Over Quicksilver

avengers origins-quicksilver-swWith Thursday’s surprise announcement that director Bryan Singer has cast American Horror Story star Evan Peters as Quicksilver in X-Men: Days of Future Past, Fox and Marvel reportedly have entered into a “legally negotiated stand-off” that’s about as friendly as it sounds.

Joss Whedon, of course, confirmed just last week that the classic character and his sister the Scarlet Witch — the twin offspring of Magneto — are set to appear in The Avengers 2, which means we’ll see two versions of the same character in two films from different studios.

So will Fox and Marvel play nice about the character crossover? Don’t plan on it. Sources tell HitFix the two studios aren’t as amicable as they may seem in public.

The site confirms the two versions of the character won’t be able to overlap: In The Avengers 2, Whedon won’t be able to refer to Quicksilver as a “mutant” and similarly can’t mention Magneto at all. In X-Men: Days of Future Past, Singer can’t reference the Avengers.

Some may have interpreted a dig at Marvel from Singer’s tweet announcing the addition of Peters: “Before he was an #Avenger, he was just a REALLY fast kid. Thrilled to say #EvanPeters is joining #XMen #DaysOfFuturePast as #Quicksilver.” The director then deleted the post and replaced it with, “Thrilled to say #EvanPeters is joining #XMen #DaysOfFuturePast as #Quicksilver.”

As X-Men: Days of Future Past is shooting now, Singer will get to define his character first. When Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch’s involvement in The Avengers 2 was confirmed by Kevin Feige, the Marvel Studios president cautioned, “The draft could change six months from now.” It will be interesting to see if Marvel ends up scrapping the Quicksilver plans to avoid a conflict.

X-Men: Days of Future Past is due in theaters July 18, 2014, while The Avengers 2 comes opens May 1, 2015.

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  • braun rodman

    why fox, why…? your movies blow, just bow out with some grace…

  • Adam Walters

    If past movies from the respective studios are anything to judge by Avengers 2 will be a more accurate portrayal of the characters without ‘Magneto’ and ‘mutants’ than X-Men: DFP will be with them.

  • RMCarpenter

    Not to mention more interesting. Other than Jackman’s Wolverine, the X-Men movies are as dull as dishwater.

  • Chris Williams

    People keep pointing to the magneto connection, but that was a much later development. These characters weren’t Magneto’s kids when they were in the brotherhood nor when they joined the avengers.

    Originally they were thought to be the children of Ms America were they not?

  • humandivine

    quicksilver does not need to be in days of future past

  • fearitself

    Oh Fox when do you give up already? The end is near for you. Marvel is breaking boxoffice records with the MCU while yours have been making significantly less and less money as years passed. First Class flopped in the U.S. Fingers crossed The Wolverine will now bomb worldwide, too.

  • coolio

    Yeah, because he wasn’t even in the DOFP comic.

  • Rollo Tomassi

    This is seriously overblown. Does anyone think Quicksilver being in one or the other, or neither, or both of these films will have any impact on the Box Office of either film? I highly doubt it. they should just each do their own version and not worry about it.

  • Deetz

    Why so much hate on Fox? X-Men 1 and 2 were great and First Class was amazing.

  • Lobster J Zombie

    But the connection before they knew he was there father was that they were in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants with him as the leader. They defected and joined the Avengers along with Hawkeye when the original team, minus Captain America, left.

  • Wrich

    It’s a mixed bag there- here is a great review

  • Wrich
  • ValeriaKementari

    get rid of Pietro, Whedon. He’s worthless anyway

  • Ramone

    Seems like Singer & Fox are being douches since it was well publicized that Q&SW would likely be in A2 and then they go an pull their publicity stunt. I’m not saying “boycott” but this whole mess really makes me less inclined to see X-men DoFP.

  • Ramone

    Well Fox has never been known to be faithful to (or even pay respect to) the comics.

  • Ramone

    It’s got nothing to do with B.O. totals, it’s just Fox showing they can be a wet blanket. It’s a mystery as to who they think they’re impressing seeing as how it’s just pissing off fans and confusing people who are more casual viewers.

  • Ramone

    I agree, but it’s 100% ill will to another studio and fans alike.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dfullam David Fullam

    In all honesty, I would prefer Quicksilver in Avengers 2.

  • damngary

    Make him Marvel!

  • Dean Calloway

    Quicksilver was already in Wolverine: Origins.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219711563 Desi Woods

    Because once again FOX is trying to leech off of Marvel’s success instead of making their own way. Adding Quicksilver to DOFP 5 weeks into filming right after Whedon made his claim for the character is shameless and pathetic. The fact that you ask is proof that FOX isn’t making any new friends with this tactic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219711563 Desi Woods

    Whedon made it clear that Quicksilver will play a significant part in this and future films whereas FOX just want to shoehorn in yet another random mutant for eyecandy.

  • lewis4510

    If I were Joss Whedon I’d counter this by expanding the role of Quicksliver and Scarlet Witch in A2. They really had bigger roles and a bigger impact in the Avengers comics than they ever did in the X-Men comics anyway. Even if it means dropping Hawkeye and Black Widow.

  • JaySBee

    Why should Fox bow out? They made the most successful movies before the Avengers franchise (with the X-Men) and paid for the X-Men as a property. I realize it sucks, but our love of good superhero flicks has to pay heed to people actually making contracts and running companies.

    Both sides have a legitimate claim. It’s just sad that Marvel sold the rights to Mutants (their trademark) and Spiderman (their most popular character) before they gained power as a movie making source.

  • NeronWillRise

    Whedon never should’ve went after him to begin with. Fox owns the rights to use him, so Fox should have the say. Invent your own damn speedster.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219711563 Desi Woods

    I wonder how this will work as far as merchandise goes… Marvel doesn’t like to share which is why there weren’t any First Class toys. So will FOX try to claim any money earned by the character then?

  • Nicholas Richardson

    Ah, back in 2011, Singer said he wanted to use Quicksilver in a movie. Nice try though Whedon fan boys.

  • http://twitter.com/virgofromjersey Andrew

    I don’t think you know what a Flop is, yes it grossed the lowest of the X-Men but it was far from a flop. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=xmen.htm

  • http://twitter.com/virgofromjersey Andrew

    Fox bought the rights to the X-Men and it’s subsidiary story-lines including mutants. Of course they’re protecting what they bought and paid for and there’s no reason they should just give it up.

  • Jack R

    In the end, Whedon will write him better.. and Marvel will have the last laugh.

  • http://twitter.com/virgofromjersey Andrew

    Fox OWNS the rights to X-Men. Marvel sold it. If you want to blame someone blame Marvel.

  • lewis4510

    Both sides can use the characters. But in a narrow limited way.

  • http://twitter.com/virgofromjersey Andrew

    They’re just butthurt. If it weren’t for the two X-Men movies Singer made the other Marvel Movies would never have gotten a chance. He started it all.

  • PietroMaximoff

    i agree i’d rather having him in Avengers 2, i bet he would get a bigger role than merely being wallpaper in X-Men. i hope this doesn’t affect what Whedon was planning..

  • http://josephmainwaring.com/ Joseph Mainwaring

    If only Marvel had the foresight and positioning it does now to negotiate a better license to Fox. I’d rather see Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch scrapped from The Avengers than altered to the point where they’re no longer Mutants.

    Yes, the cinematic universe does deviate from the comics, but there’s core themes that are retained. I feel it’s hard to rewrite that mutant theme and not pervert the characters.

  • kingofgrills

    If Fox actually uses Quicksilver in DOFP, then it would be smart for Marvel to not use him or Scarlet Witch in Avengers 2. So far, the studios have crossed the streams in the Marvel Universe by portraying the same character in different ways, and it should stay that way. Otherwise, character duplication with different actors and interpretations would be jarring for the viewer.

    There are enough great characters in the Marvel Universe to find great additions to the Avengers. Besides how would it look in Avengers 2 if X-Men DOFP treats Quicksilver as a disposable character like they did with Darwin in First Class?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219711563 Desi Woods

    Nice try, but if FOX was making good on it’s “investment” there wouldn’t be any issue here. Instead their last X-men film barely made over $350M world wide which as a result barely make a profit after budget cost. When it should be up there somewhere between Spider-man Dark Knight’s numbers at this point in time.

  • Sean

    I dont know, man. I think Spider-Man has been more successful than any of the X-Garbage

  • braun

    i thought I stated in my comment that their movie blow and by that I meant to allude to the fact that it would be a waste for them to use any character they haven’t already ruined with their films

  • CudaBiro

    If Fox isn’t going to use Wanda as well, why not just run with Northstar? He has a much bigger association to the X-Men having 1) been a team mate of Wolverine during his Alpha Flight days and 2) been an actual X-Man.

  • demoncat_4

    not surprised for fox never likes to play nice with its toys including those it borrows from other companies. though given how odds are both quicksilver and scarlet witch will be their adult versions in avengers two. fox can go ahead and do quicksilver in dofp now and be done with it. or try and stop marvel from using them in avengers two . and maybe tick off Disney enough to move to take back the x-men rights .

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219711563 Desi Woods

    Wolverine: Origins sucked, FOX doesn’t even acknowledge it and Millar practically through it and 77% of their other Marvel films under the bus so what’s your point? The cameo was forgettable at best. Just like the rest of the movie.

  • Nicholas Richardson

    Yep, Singer >>>>> Whedon

  • Jack Bennett

    Marvel should just now do a Quicksilver cameo in Captain America: Winter Solider or even at the end of Thor 2 – both movies come out before DOFP, so they’d get a chance to establish him first.

  • Jack Bennett

    Marvel should just now do a Quicksilver cameo in Captain America: Winter Solider or even at the end of Thor 2 – both movies come out before DOFP, so they’d get a chance to establish him first, so take that, Fox!

  • dandybeast

    Who cares how much money it made? Yeah, people paid to go see it, that’s how we all know it STUNK. It was a terrible, terrible movie. That’s my definition of a FLOP.

  • pedrobayer

    But your definition is wrong. It made a lot of money, so it wasn’t a flop. You don’t just get to use words wrong and say you changed the definition.

  • thelolocaust

    They only leased the rights, they didn’t buy them. They can lose the rights under several different circumstances, and Marvel gets a cut of whatever money they make with those rights.

  • dandybeast

    As a nerd, I’d like Fox give up the rights to all the Marvel Universe characters and themes, and let Marvel do it up. Yeah, Fox made it possible for Marvel to make the good movies they’re making now, but some of Fox’s latest stuff has been just awful. Sure they made money, but only because their earlier stuff was good enough to set precedent. They’re just really unpredictable, I can’t tell if their stuff is going to kick ass or suck. Imagine going in to see The Dark Knight and it being awful- that’s kind of how I felt about X-Men: The Last Stand. Whedon is a true fan, and does a decent job of paying respect to both the fans and the comics, while making something approachable for non-nerds.
    As a movie-lover, I’d like to see both Fox and Marvel make a damn good movie with whatever characters they include. Movies cost too goddamn much to go see these days for people to putting out ones that suck.

  • thanos0145

    How about FOX and Singer use another mutant speedster who’s name is Northstar instead of Quicksilver?

  • dandybeast

    LMAO, as if there’s an official definition for either of our uses of the word! The informal definition of “flop” is “an utter failure” or “to fail completely”. My definition of a movie that failed, is a movie I paid to go see that SUUUCKED. It’s a flop also because it hardly reached it’s potential. That movie should have made nearly as much as The Dark Knight.

  • Jeff

    It wouldn’t be that they were “no longer mutants.” They just can’t use the WORD mutant.

  • DrPhilter

    I wish these guys could just get along.

  • Jeff

    They didn’t SELL the rights. They are leased. Unfortunatly the wording of the lease was poorly chosed — as long as Fox keeps making terrible X-Men movies, Marvel can never make good ones.

  • Jeff

    They were in 4 issues of X-Men before they were i 300 issues of Avengers. Gee, which do you think they are more closely associated with? Regardless of the term “mutant” being allowed to be used, they are Avengers characters through and through.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lucyparanormal Daniel Tiberius

    People need to man up for the good of both of their franchises. Acting like pissy little children won’t help and won’t make me want to give you my money.

  • Jeff

    Again, not BOUGHT. The X-Men movie rights are LEASED to Fox. Which is moot because Quicksilver is most associated with the Avengers.

  • Jeff

    Your opinion. My opinion: X-Men 1 and 2 were utter garbage. As a fan of the comic books for years before the films were released, I found Fox’s treatment of the franchise to be horrible.

  • Sean

    Just what this movie needs…another character…anyone remember X-Men Last Stand?

  • Jeff

    I fully believe Bryan Singer actually hates the X-Men, which is why he continues to make terrible X-Men movies.

  • Kyle

    Your definition of “stunk” is also wrong. Since me saying “I liked it and I’m a long-time X-Men comic book fan” is as meaningless as you saying you disliked it, I’ll point to general consensus. It got an 88% from both critics and fans at rottentomatoes. So it was not a flop by either box office numbers or by the opinion of the public. In fact, the only people who seem to dislike the movie are the people who are more interested in remaining faithful to the source material than in making a good story. Since those people are clearly (judging by the aforementioned numbers) simply a loud minority, we can deduce that this movie was by no means a flop, unless “dandybeast didn’t like it” is the definition of a flop.

  • Nicholas Richardson

    The first two x-men movies were brilliant.

  • Nicholas Richardson

    Guess what? Quicksilver was an X-Men first. So suck it Whedon and Avengers.

  • lewis4510

    Wrong jack wagon, Quicksilver was never an X-Man. He was a member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants before turning against them and joining the Avengers.

    And by the way. What are you, twelve?

  • LaDante Collins

    What’s your definition of “flop”? They made more than double their money back in the box office and opened at #1 in it’s opening weekend. The Wolverine is opening on a weekend where it probably won’t have much competition so there is a very good chance it too will make back it’s money and then some and also open at #1. A complete flop or failure wold be John Carter or Battleship. I agree, Fox needs to leave Quicksilver out of the movie based off the simple fact that they don’t need him in it. The movie will make money without the character but it will turn fans away because the studio seems to try and force feed a million characters down our throats. When will they learn to K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple, Stupid)?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219711563 Desi Woods

    Wanting to do use QS and actually doing it are too different things. So nice try Singer fanboys.. If Marvel is smart they’ll just give Quicksilver a cameo in Thor or Capt America’s sequel during the end credits.

  • Roger

    Wolverine Origin was terrible and butchered Deadpool

  • Happily LS

    I’m not surprised Fox are being douches, but I *am* surprised Singer is. He must know how much ill will it will cause. He didn’t have to personally tweet about it, much less using the wording he did. He got right in everyone’s face by doing that instead of leaving it as corporate politics.

  • Happily LS

    If I were Joss Whedon I’d just make a much better and more successful movie, which he was going to do anyway.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219711563 Desi Woods

    Exactly!

  • Jimmy

    Like Iron Man 2 and 3 :P

  • Jimmy

    Fox started this whole serious superhero big budget movie franchise with two critically and financially successful X-Men films, two financially but less critically received X-Men films, and a financially and critically successful reboot of the franchise. The new X-Men film is likely to continue this trend as Singer is writing and directing it.

    They aren’t “leaching” off Marvel. They started this whole thing. Marvel Studios owe a debt of thanks for Fox taking the risk back in the day. Get your facts correct.

    The fact that we are even cheer leading two big faceless corporations who only care about your wallet is laughable as well.

  • lewis4510

    The X-Men films are reaching the point of diminishing returns both creatively and financially. I believe that Fox is realizing this. Otherwise why would they cram so much into one movie.

  • Jimmy

    That’s impressive box office when you consider the reboot didn’t feature any known actors at all, and had major recasts. The audience was somewhat apprehensive, but it made even more money on home sales. The film stacks up against Thor, and Captain America.

    However it’s obvious you’ve got some kind of weird beef with Fox studios and nothing will convince you. Marvel Studios thanks you for your allegiance and is happy to take even more money from you in the future.

  • lewis4510

    Marvel started their own studio because they were tired of seeing their characters crapped on creatively by Fox and Sony. FF, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Daredevil, all sucked because Marvel had no creative control over them.

  • Romir Sucaldito

    True. Respect for Singer. This have always been my point with the X-Men bashing crowd.

    Not just for MCU though, the whole genre got the boost.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219711563 Desi Woods

    How can you convince anyone of anything when you’re calling a poorly written “prequel” a reboot? FOX has been making Marvel films for 13 years yet you comparing this franchise to a newly introduced Cap and Thor film as a good thing??? X-men “should” be doing Spider-man number at the least. But it underperformed here in the states and they get less than half of tickets sales overseas. Apparently no one can convince you of the obvious downward spiral that FOX/Marvel is undergoing due to poor quality. So I’m sure FOX thanks you as well. Facts are facts regardless.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219711563 Desi Woods

    Wrong…Blade and Men in Black started it. X-men confirmed it. Get your facts straight. FOX couldn’t care less about Marvel. Ari Arad handled business with FOX like a crack addict looking for a score and a “reluctant” FOX company saw blood in the water and capitalized. The 7%-10% Marvel gets from FOX/Marvel’s films is chump change. So please stop praising them and make up your mind… are they faceless corporations or do we owe FOX some type of gratitude for making 3 out 9 decent comic book films?

  • Chris Williams

    I got dislikes for pointing out Magneto’s parentage isn’t essential for scarlet witch and quicksilver’s avengers appearance?

  • Happily LS

    You’re probably the only one who thinks 1 and 2 were garbage. But yes, every other Fox movie has been crap.

  • gjfr

    First Class and X2 were pretty good.

  • Beast

    Deadpool is a terrible character anyway. Seeing him with his mouth sealed shut makes me wish they’d do that to him in the comics.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    BullCRAP! First Class was missing the most popular X-Men and had no superstar actors (Jennifer Lawrence wasn’t well known at the time, Kevin Bacon isn’t nearly as popular as he used to be, and Michael Faasbender is still making a name for himself). Also, there was no previous “First Class” movie with the same characters/universe to hype this up. You are an idiot if you expected this to make anything close to Dark Knight.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    I don’t know what you’re talking about: that was a great movie! Faasbender was awesome in it, and it had one hella of a conclusion. Bryan Singer made the movie to get the franchise back on track (after the terrible Wolverine movie and X3), and I think he did a great job. Now that the stage has been set, DOFP should be awesome.

  • darthtigris

    Both studios own the rights. But Fox could’ve just used Northstar instead of causing a ruckus, but here we are …

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    I dunno. Peter David’s X-Factor version of Quicksilver is probably the best that the character has ever been portrayed, and that was part of the X-Universe. Pietro was such a natural among X-characters, that I feel he deserves his time on the big screen next to them.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    From the sounds of it, it seems that Fox was planning to use Quicksilver first. Once Wheddon announced that he wants to use him too, Singer responded.

  • darthtigris

    Exactly!
    My thinking? They’re just being douches because they can. : |

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    FOX doesn’t want to: Bryan Singer does. Quicksilver is one of the coolest character from the x-universe (when he was part of it)- you can’t blame him for wanting to play with the best toys available to him.

  • stainedglassscarlet

    Singer has no respect from me. He ruined the X-men and Superman in film. This is petty for an overcrowded film that looks to be ruining what the only halfway decent X-Men film set up.
    .

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    BullCRAP! First Class was missing the most popular X-Men and had no
    superstar actors (Jennifer Lawrence wasn’t well known at the time, Kevin
    Bacon isn’t nearly as popular as he used to be, and Michael Faasbender
    is still making a name for himself). Also, there was no previous “First
    Class” movie with the same characters/universe to hype this up. There is no way anyone could expect First Class to compare to DK in numbers :/

  • darthtigris

    I really can’t believe this is turning into a fanboy war (but I shouldn’t be surprised; internet).

    There have already been complaints that DoFP already has too many characters, even from people looking forward to it. The character also plays no role in the comic storyline. So why does this really make narrative sense for Fox and Singer to do?

    The answer is that it doesn’t. It really feels … petty.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    Men in Black isn’t a Marvel Property: get your facts straight.
    And I hate to break it to you: but Disney is a faceless corporation too, or did you forget about how they’re screwing over most of their current cast on their salaries (it started with the Terrence Howard incident and is continuing).
    The fact of the matter is: Josh Wheddon and Bryan Singer and two passionate creators who care about the products they’re making. They are each going to make good movies. Fox’s version of Quicksilver is not going to hurt Marvel’s version. Were the aliens in Avengers and less threatening because they weren’t allowed to be called Skrulls?

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    But Quicksilver was also a key member of the Eisner award-winning X-Factor in the 90′s. And he was peripherally involved with the current X-Factor book until he was stolen to be used in Avengers Academy. He’s returning to the book in a few months before it ends.

  • merlin1963
  • Tabularasa

    Wow. It’s amazing that so many people are quick to make jabs at the X-Men franchise when Marvel has made crap movies like Incredible Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man 2, and hell, even Thor was pretty meh. And who is to say that Marvel would do a better job with these characters when they can’t even keep Captain America or Hawkeye in character. Both studios have made bad films and poor character choices.

  • merlin1963
  • Oliver Queen

    Seriously who cares? Quicksilver has been relevant since…since…Cap’s Cooky Quartet…and not even that?

    Just bring in Vision for Avengers and Fox…just bring anyone else. The fact that it’s referred to as Days of Future Past is horrible. Not even following the original premise other than the time aspect.

    Should have just rebooted the franchise and made a live action” Night of the Sentinels” instead of First Class.

  • stainedglassscarlet

    all the movies you list are brilliant when compared to the Xfilth films. They were a real let down, Hallie Berry especially.

  • Heather

    The people here claiming the MCU stays faithful to the comics lives in their own kind of fantasy world.

  • Heather

    What significant thing has Quicksilver done in an Avengers comic? What important role has Quicksilver played in any major Avengers story?

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    Good points. Although, imo, Quicksilver is more popular and has a longer history. Plus, being the son of Magneto makes him more relevant to non-comic fans unfamiliar with him.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    It’s also possible that Singer had plans to use Quicksilver in the distant future, and now that Wheddon made public plans to use him, Singer wants to get his claim to him right away.

  • darthtigris

    Using Quicksilver without Scarlet Witch? I do accept that your scenario is a possibility, but it does feel like a bit of a stretch.

  • LaDante Collins

    I won’t disagree with you on Peter David’s Quicksilver being the best. I’d say he brought life to the character and made him relevant. Look, if they are planning to bring him in as a member of Magneto’s Brotherhood, then it makes perfect sense showcasing him in the past storyline. Otherwise, X-Factor nor Quicksilver were apart of Days of Future Past. Then again, adding a change to older stories seems to be the trend and at times it isn’t always a bad thing. I guess what I’m getting at is, if they are just putting him in there how they used Colossus or Shadowcat in previous movies, it seems like it’ll be a waste.

  • Jim H.

    To be fair, the same question could be asked about him in an X-Men comic. He’s never really played a major role anywhere; he’s kind of an awful character.

  • Jim H.

    Man, for all you’re trying to pass yourself as an expert here, you clearly don’t know any of their names. For example, it’s Fassbender, not “Faasbender” as you’ve stated multiple times, and Joss Whedon, not “Josh Wheddon.” Before you tell somebody else to get their facts straight, maybe do the same yourself.

  • Ron

    Desk, you seriously need to get laid. You are way too serious about inconsequential things.

  • Lilly

    While it’s true that PAD fleshed him out, X-factor just isn’t important to X-mythos and Pietro isn’t an X-Man. Really, Pietro is a character that doesn’t belong anywhere, but I tend to associate him with the Avengers because of his membership. Also, he was great in Avengers Academy.

  • Lilly

    It was announced long ago that both studios could use the character (with limitations). That both studios have decided to do so around the same time doesn’t indicate anything other than Singer and Whedon both wanting to use QS for their story.

  • Porcupeth

    I hope Singer/Fox gets it. Avengers 2 is probably going to suck as much as The Avengers so that’d be a waste of the character.

  • dandybeast

    DUDE, I could care less about those things. Most people are morons with awful taste, in case you weren’t aware of that. I’m allowed to use the informal definition as I see fit. It’s called an “opinion”, dumbass.

  • dandybeast

    How Top Get Nerds Riled Up: Say you didn’t like a movie they liked. Say you believed it to be a “flop” and elongate the “u”s in the term “sucked” as much as possible.

  • Mitch2012B

    Sucks that Bryan Singer never used Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch in the first movies and now that Wheddon announces that he is bringing the twins he announces he is using only Quicksilver. He has a perfect opportunity to use both for this movie and let us see the very interesting story of Magneto and his children with all the richness of Marvel history, I don’t like how the X-Men movies crap and twist around continuity.

  • dandybeast

    I wasn’t expecting it to be close to the Dark Knight- I’m saying, as far along as it was in Fox’s repetoire of comic book films, it should have achieved more success, and quite frankly, been a better movie. But it wasn’t, and it didn’t. I’m speaking as a comic book fan as well. In fact, I think reading the comics made me expect too much.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.o.burcham David Oliver Burcham

    The real character being robbed is Beast. He’s more of an Avenger than Quicksilver and as much as Scarlet Witch.

  • Marius Smuts

    Honestly, if all the rights to Spiderman and X-men go back to marvel, we will never see these characters. They simply cant make that many films on their own. Look at Warner Bros/DC. They have just as huge amount of characters, but we are lucky if they release one film a year. Now that Punisher and Daredevil have gone back to Marvel, you wont see them for another 10 years..same would happen to the x-men…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219711563 Desi Woods

    LOL someone someone sounds a little perturbed because they’ve clearly exhausted any real knowledge on the matter.

    Trust me, it took less time for me to research and write that as it did for you to comprehend it. Which leaves plenty of time for a social life. But thanks for your concern on the matter.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219711563 Desi Woods

    Do your research son. Men In Black was published by Malibu Comics which was later purchased by Marvel comics 1994 which Marvel then gave rights to Columbia Pictures for films but Marvel has written prequels to the movies and a series back in the late 90′s. So Marvel still owns the copyrights. I didn’t bother reading the rest of your rant, I mean if you can’t do a Google and/or Bing search then why should I waste my time debating with you. Facts are facts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219711563 Desi Woods

    So what, it’s still X-men and if the last 2 were any good and if the continuity of that reboot/prequel wasn’t so backwards it still would’ve seen better box office numbers, so stop making lame excuses. Capt and Thor didn’t have big names either yet still bested a bigger franchise by a studio that had 10 years experience on them.

    And for the record Nolan and most of his cast were practically nobodies before the Dark Knight trilogy. Their success is the result of making “quality films”. So saying that FOX can’t emulate the that kind of quality or success with all the the characters and backstories they have ownership of to influence them, just supports my argument.

    Thank you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219711563 Desi Woods

    Wow, that comment sounds completely ridiculous.

    What is Singer some type of Black Ops agent to which FOX can disavow any relation to if he’s caught….?

    Quicksilver is a C class Marvel character at best and this movie is based on time travel so why not Cable or Bishop??? They weren’t in DOFP either but would seem more plausible an addition to this film than QS would.

    Just stop.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    1. Not true: he was the reason the Inhumans went to war with earth, kickstarting a bunch of stuff (when he stole the Terrigen crystals), which resulted in the Shiar / Kree War.
    2. How does him playing a major role somewhere make him an awful character? His charter moments in X-Factor are part of the reason PAD got an Eisner- I would say that qualifies him as a great character.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    You have to keep in mind that a movie’s ticket sales have a lot to do with the previous movie in a series. Iron Man 3 did so well because hella people were juiced for it after the Avengers movie. Same with Spider-man 3. Fox screwed things up with X3 and the Wolverine movie, so a lot of people (hard core fans and casual movie goes alike) were not going to see First Class because of that.

    The goal of the movie was to redeem the fan base, which it seemed to do. The purpose of DoFP is to make a block buster.

  • lewis4510

    When people go into DoFP expecting to see Quicksilver in a major role and he’s little more than a cinematic footnote those people are going to be pissed. And when he’s in Avengers 2 and he’s got a better, and bigger role. Who will even remember Singer’s Quicksilver lite? And another thing as far as him and his sister being mutants, Marvel won’t have to say anything about it. Fox will have already established it.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    It’s not your judgement of the film that people are arguing against, it’s the unsubstantiated statements like “That movie should have made nearly as much as The Dark Knight.” that got a response. At least as far as I’m concerned.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    I see where you’re coming from in that the character is being put into a story that he originally had no role in. Maybe the x-fanboy in me is excited to finally see him onscreen in a mutant capacity. I was thrilled with the news that Multiple Man would make it to the big screen (and that singer considered him for First Class). I was disappointed that he was a villain and had a very small role.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    I really appreciated that he was used well in Avengers Academy- I didn’t make a stink out of him being taken from X-Factor to be used there because the book was really good.

    X-Factor was very important to x-mythos in the early 90s:
    1. It was the marriage of Freedom Force and the Muir island X-men: keeping continuity on those two plot lines.
    2. It fleshed out Bishops future and connected Forge with it, two elements that would become important during Second Coming, the whole Generation Hope mess, and Warren Ellis’s Astonishing X-Men run.
    2. After Claremont and the Image guys left (Mutant Genesis), X-Factor was the only book in the x-universe getting critical acclaim for a long time. It wasn’t until Grant Morrison came on board that the X-franchise was back on the radar.
    3. It was the book Joe Quesada (Marvel EIC and now CCO) requested to draw when he came to Marvel.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    “Marvel won’t have to say anything about it. Fox will have already established it”
    See!! There! This will work out for everyone to have him featured in both films. His mutant heritage can be explored and identified in X-Men, and his familiar ties with his sister fleshed out in Avengers. I personally think it would be cool if the same actor played Pietro in both films.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    You mean you skipped over the part that you can’t argue against?

    Typical.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    His point was that FOX featured Quicksilver first. You’re the one introducing extraneous arguments.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    His X-Men movies were tons better than his Superman movie, and he’s an unabashed Superman fanatic. There goes your theory.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    “Otherwise, character duplication with different actors and interpretations would be jarring for the viewer.”
    It worked okay with Jim Rhodes in Iron Man. Just sayin.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    Because it’s Quicksilver’s personality that everyone loves.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    Read Avengers Academy, 90′s X-Factor, Son of M, the Civil War issues of X-Factor + X-Factor: The Quick and the Dead. He works fantastically well on his own.

  • Hysan

    Considering the spotty quality of the last few Fox X-movies, I know which side I’m on….

  • Hysan

    Or it could be that the Punisher movies have been awful and Marvel simply decides to take their time to do things right. And if you think Marvel wouldn’t use Spider-Man and the X-Men in their cinematic Universe, I want to know what sort of drugs you’re smoking….

  • Marius Smuts

    I use to smoke crack now just weed…Marvel/Disney doesn’t have the ability to release more films a year than it does now, they’ll become over-saturated, especially now that Disney own Lucasfilm, they’ll be making films competing with their own films…and overall profit will go down..

  • Lilly

    Alright, I’ll give you Muir Island but I still maintain that it’s not that “important”, despite being an excellent read. I guess it doesn’t matter anyway, since Pietro looks to be appearing in both movie franchises (my inner fan-girl is screaming!).

    I think he’ll be better in the Avengers movie though. Whedon considers Pietro and Wanda his favorites, while Singer “needs” Pietro for a scene.

  • Colli T

    This seems like Fox playing the role of the jealous little brother.

  • Lyle

    Wow, I can’t possibly read all of these comments, but here is mine.
    On one hand, I cannot help but think that Evan Peters is a perfect choice for Quicksilver. Anyone who has seen his performance in American Horror Story saw that he can play an angry and disturbed young man very well. Still, this does seem like an afterthought idea from Fox just to stick it to Marvel.
    My hope (and I know this is an overly optimistic hope) is that this could be a way to bridge the two franchises together. Fox cannot mention the Avengers and Marvel cannot mention mutants or Magneto. By having this, you could have Quicksilver mention he is a mutant and that he is Magneto’s son in the X-Men movie, and maybe make comments about his twin sister. Then, in the next Avengers movie, you could have Evan Peters play Quicksilver and introduce Scarlet Witch without having to mention mutants or Magneto. I had heard that Saorse Ronan was being asked to play Scarlet Witch, and she is roughly the same age as Evan Peters, so that could work.
    Still, I always thought they should have real life siblings play these roles, but, for the life of me, I cannot think of who. And, please, not Jake and Maggie Gyllenhaal. As much as I like both, I’m not sure they would be right for the roles. And, please, Joss Whedon, no incestuous relationship like in the Ultimates comic.

  • lewis4510

    I’m glad that Wheddon is being the adult in the room by ignoring, at least publicly, Singer’s obvious childish ploy. I think Singer’s rewording of his tweet is telling that he realized how stupid and childish it sounded. Or maybe he got bombarded by negative tweets.

    The inescapable fact is the Avengers made more money than any two X-Men movies put together.

  • nowthis

    Go do do something productive you ass turd.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219711563 Desi Woods

    Shhh, I’m reading my old Men In Black comics by “MARVEL!” LOL!

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    I think I’m like you: super excited that he’s going to be on screen and getting this much attention! I think this “stand-off” is just a publicity stunt, which works for me. I’m eager to see two different interpretations of the character, although I have to agree with you that the Whedon one will probably be better ;)

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    “And, please, not Jake and Maggie Gyllenhaal”
    That was my exact thought when you suggested real life siblings, LOL!

    I just hope that they don’t make Pietro an outright villian- he’s better as a quasi hero that we love but fear.

  • JaySBee

    For starters, I used the word “sold” thinking that people understood it to mean they had been paid money for usage rights and could no longer use the property in the same way themselves. No one thinks that Fox OWNS the X Men. We do, however, know that Marvel cannot make X Men movies because they ave given up that right for the forseeable future (look at the new Spiderman movie. One of the reasons it was made was so usage rights would remain with… what is it… Sony? I think that’s the company that presently owns the Rights to it).

    Next, you may not like the X Men movies, but I liked MOST of them (and they made enough money to not be considered “terrible” by the vast audience that went to them. Even “Wolverine”). I also do not believe Marvel is immune to making a bad film. So your argument that Marvel would automatically do better seems flat and SOLELY based on your opinion. It doesn’t work for me.

    This all sounds like a lot of Fanboy side-taking at this point. If they make a deal, that would be nice. I doubt that will happen. So, I will watch my movies on a case by case basis without EVER using the word “sucks” when I can actually make INTELLIGENT criticism.

  • JaySBee

    THANK YOU!!! I get tired of the generalizations coming out of people who want to sound hip by using hyperbole (“dull as dishwater”; this movie is “terrible”; that character is “terrible”. Feh!).

    X2 did great box office and people were all about it when it came out. First Class got stellar reviews AND people went to it in droves (giving it across the board appeal. Comic book movies rarely get both).

    People want to PRETEND that there were no good comic book films before Marvel took over.I hate when someone tries to rewrite history and this is really a clear case of that.

  • JaySBee

    Spiderman isn’t Marvel’s to use in movies either. Not at the present time.

  • Sakasa

    Ah and it begins. See here is the first barrier that if sways in Marvels favor could lead to access to not a few but all of their characters. So Sony has a vested intrest in this as well because Spider Man is always a powerful chip in the game.

  • Sakasa

    That depends how you look at it Disney does not have to adhere to any sort of logic as it can make many tag lines to sell under. For instance they could use just Lucasfilm which will be disney but won’t appear that way to the broader audience there for still pulling profit with out oversaturating their name.

    Movies can be like tv shows with out all the fuse that comes with video games trying to be. If the movie is good even if they come out in rapid succession will not change the impact of the movies. So if one month is Fantastic Four, next is spider man, followed by avengers people are not going to not go just because “Ah, this is the third superhero movie this year!”.

  • Marius Smuts

    I agree in a way, as a comic book fan, I go to watch every single superhero film. Even Ghost Rider 2. It wont affect me, but the average movie goer, who only go to big event films like Avengers, or Dark Knight RIses, it will, hense the massive Box office returns..would be difficult to coordinate the marketing of these films. They’ll make movie, but not as much a event films..some film will suffer.

  • dregj

    they haven’t made a good x men film since the first one why do always have to keep things going long after they squeeze all the money out of em?

  • lewis4510

    I was thinking this could trigger a lawsuit by Disney to either reopen the license or terminate it altogether.

  • fdsasdf

    never seen Quicksilver on any avengers books, I remember him from 1990s X-Factor

  • JusticeBringer

    Don’t play stupid. The point is that Fox didn’t make the most successful movies before The Avengers franchise like you claim because that distinction belongs to Spider-Man.

  • JusticeBringer

    No one’s saying that all. People loved Superman, Batman, Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight. People loved Blade, Spider-Man, and Spider-Man 2. But many have felt Fox’s done a terrible job with the X-films, OVERALL.

  • JaySBee

    Actually, I was addressing people who said EXACTLY “that all”. That’s why I used quotation marks. I was QUOTING those people. That would be the difference between “No one’s saying that all” and SOMEone saying EXACTLY what I’m addressing.

    So there’s that.

    You, personally, may not be saying that. If you aren’t, I wasn’t addressing you. That’s why I didn’t quote you until now.

  • dave

    Marvel should use Quicksilver in Agents of Shield TV show. That will teach Fox.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    Wait…. what did you say?

    Really, I can’t figure out what you’re trying to say.

  • Terry Von

    Something dawned on me:

    If Marvel were to regain the rights to Spider-Man and all his supporting cast tomorrow…

    What would stop them from making “The Amazing Spider-Man 3″? With a returning Andrew Garfield AND Marc Webb at the helm?

    I don’t think anything can. And fans won’t be crying foul either.

  • http://twitter.com/virgofromjersey Andrew

    A flop is a movie that doesn’t turn a profit. That’s the definition.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=663669914 Sean Richardson

    “Marvel/Disney doesn’t have the ability to release more films a year than it does now”

    This is absolutely wrong. Over the past several years, Disney has voluntarily slowed down their own production because they didn’t have enough product from which to create successful films. That’s why they went out and bought Lucasfilms and Marvel, it’s a long-term strategy to have enough properties to be able to pump out more movies, because of all the studios, Disney absolutely has the ability to release more films than they do now.

    Marvel Studios will need to hire more people to be able to do it, but there’s nothing else that would stop them from having the same ability.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=663669914 Sean Richardson

    “AND people went to it in droves”

    That’s not really true. It was a minor hit (at best; once you factor in the money that had to have been spent on marketing, it more or less breaks even). It grossed the least (by a fairly wide margin) of any of the X-Men movies, it dropped by more than 50% in the second weekend.

    Now, if you want to argue that, like Nolan’s ‘Batman’, this is indicative of previous damage to the brand, and that we can only properly judge the response by the sequel, that would be a fair point. But to simply say that people went to it in droves when, in fact, fewer people saw it than the three movies you are dismissing entirely, it doesn’t really work.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=663669914 Sean Richardson

    “Actually, I was addressing people who said EXACTLY “that all”. That’s why I used quotation marks.”

    But you didn’t quote that quote in the initial list of quotes.

    Also, just as a general rule, quoting people who nobody has met, aren’t part of a conversation, and didn’t say anything in the conversation, without even offering up a link to show the context in which the quote was made, is functionally equivalent to just making things up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=663669914 Sean Richardson

    “They were in 4 issues of X-Men before they were i 300 issues of Avengers.”

    Neither one of these is accurate, especially with regard to Quicksilver. Scarlett Witch, yeah, she’s mostly an Avenger. But Quicksilver, the ratio is closer to 2 Avengers appearances for every X appearance. (For the most part, he wasn’t an active Avenger for the 300 issues released after he joined.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=663669914 Sean Richardson

    “It’s called an “opinion”, dumbass.”
    “That’s my definition of a FLOP.”

    The issue here is that definitions are not subject to opinions. That’s what makes them definitions, they are mutually agreed upon, which is a pretty key component to the very nature of communication.

    So, yes, you can make up your own definitions, but you can’t defend criticism of your flawed definition by pretending it’s just an opinion.

    Also, specifically, somebody else used the word “flop” in a specifically financial sense (that is to say, the correct definition), so your defense is also wrong-headed in comparison to the point being made.

    The fact is, X-MEN: FIRST CLASS was not a flop. It is also accurate to say, it didn’t turn a profit of any significance.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=663669914 Sean Richardson

    “They made more than double their money back in the box office”

    That’s not true. If you factor in the international money, and ignore money spent on marketing, it would be true. Unfortunately, the metric for how the studios get their money from international distribution is lower than the metric for how studios get their money from US distribution. The general rule is that you now have to at least triple your production budget in order to actually make a profit, and that multiplier grows bigger with blockbuster movies because of the amount spent on marketing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=663669914 Sean Richardson

    Fox already used Quicksilver, on a film which Singer wasn’t involved in. Although, admittedly, prior to that, the Singer films did refer to him in text onscreen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=663669914 Sean Richardson

    “X-men “should” be doing Spider-man number at the least.”

    If you build in that Fox’s X-Men will be considered a failure if it doesn’t reach Spider-Man numbers, then it will always be a failure. Spider-Man is one of the most prominent fictional characters in the world. No X-Men movie will ever gross as much as any Spider-Man movie. If you have any doubt as to this, just go to a local school and say “You can have one toy, either Spider-Man or any X-Man you want” and you will come away with a bag full of X-Men and no Spider-Man toys.

    “for the record Nolan and most of his cast were practically nobodies before the Dark Knight trilogy”

    You mean, besides Gary Oldman, Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, and Liam Neeson, right?

    And also that ‘Batman Begins’ grossed pretty much exactly what ‘X-Men First Class’ did, right?

    Because, knowing those two facts, the point you’re attempting seems kind of stupid.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=663669914 Sean Richardson

    “Men In Black was published by Malibu Comics which was later purchased by Marvel comics 1994 which Marvel then given to Columbia Pictures for films but Marvel has written prequels to the movies and a series back in the late 90′s.”

    Dezz, you are wildly off-base here. The only fact in this whole post is that Marvel purchased Malibu Comics in 1994.

    However, if you had, indeed, done any actual research into the facts, instead of stopping as soon as you found something that helped your point, you would’ve found that Malibu sold the movie rights to Columbia in 1992.

    Marvel has nothing to do with the film series. They did release tie-ins to the first movie, since they had the rights, but they stopped doing anything with those rights around the same time they stopped doing anything with the rights to any Malibu characters.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=663669914 Sean Richardson

    Because Quicksilver has powers that are incredibly cinematic to represent while Northstar’s powers are a less important part of him as a character than his sexuality. His powers are such a minor part of his character that his Wikipedia page doesn’t even mention them above the fold, it just says that he has powers because he’s a mutant and uses them to be a superhero. You’re talking about replacing one of the most basic comic book powers (super-speed) with the most generic (superhuman durability and flight).

    I also think they’re both anxious to introduce him to their respective teams before JLA uses The Flash, because once The Flash is in movies, Quicksilver will seem like an also-ran (haha).

  • Dezz

    Instead of coming to the game 2 weeks late to add your $0.02 perhaps you should read the entire exchange that was made. The point is that Blade and MIB’s success made it possible for future X-men and Spider-man films. Avi Arad has confirmed this dozens of times. And regardless of who sold the movie rights of MIB, it was still a Marvel property by 1997 when the film was released so what is your point????

  • JaySBee

    Okay. You’ve officially gotten ridiculous. You replied to me AFTER I had quoted people in this thread and now you’re trying to tell me the “general rules” of conversation (after saying people on this thread didn’t say what I addressed in quotes).

    How’s this for a “general rule”? : Learn how to read a thread before trying to look clever . It will save you from the disfiguring backfire you just made.

    Also, for a big budget film to make a profit, people have to watch it “in droves”. “In droves” is, you see, not an ACTUAL number. It is relative. It just means “lots of people” .

    I would be humiliated if I felt the need to argue just to hear myself. It’s refreshing to see someone who is not burdened with that. I salute you.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    So then I’m going to disagree with Arad, assuming that he meant Blade/MiB contributed more than financial justification to studio financial backers. Audiences didn’t even know that Blade & MIB were comic book properties. I just watched the intro and ending credits of Blade, and it doesn’t even say “Marvel” in the fine print, or on the DVD box. I’m pretty sure the same can be said of MIB. The only thing that the success of these movie proves is that movies about Vampires and Aliens (genres in and of themselves, which have nothing to do with super heroes) will sell well.

    Anyway, that’s all moot because DC/Warner Brother’s actually started the modern big budget Superhero movie craze with 1989′s Batman. Before that, super hero movies were cheesy and campy, and the cost of production was on a smaller scale.

  • http://www.living-silver.com Living Silver

    I think Sean said it best: the brand was damaged, and First Class undid that damage. How MUCH damage was undone remains to be seen (we can base that from DoFP’s performance).

  • Dezz

    At this point you guys just sound moronic… Avi Arad is one of the founders of Marvel Studio’s and made the X-men deal with FOX possible. He clearly states that Blade and MID helped to persuade a “reluctant” FOX company into taking a risk with X-men. So disagree with him all you want, your point is meaningless since the people behind the scenes who made these movies happen clearly did know who these characters where.

    And for the record the entire general audience isn’t as ignorant as you conveniently make them out to be. Will Smith made MID what it was but the premise was still based on a “COMIC BOOK!” And as far as Blade, between the reviews, magazines articles, the cameo on the Spider-man cartoon and word of mouth Blade being a Marvel character was no secret. But feel free to keep reaching….

  • shamalama ding dong

    SPIDERMAN IS GAY AND SO ARE YOU…

  • Thomas A. Rice

    They both have rights to the characters because both Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were Avengers (Pretty early on too!) they were members of Cap’s Kooky Quartet. What I’m saying is both franchises can use them, but not discuss (mutants or Magneto) in the Avengers movie or (Avengers team members) in X-Men. Hopefully, somewhere down the line Marvel Studios will get their rights to x-men and we can have A vs X!

  • Thomas A. Rice

    All of those movies you mentioned (X3, Origins Wolverine and 1st Class) were all huge box office sucesses. Hell, even Iron-Man 3 made a BILLION dolars! That’s failure? What you’re really saying is it did not meet your unrealistic fanboy standards. If Fox or Sony or Marvel Studios made a perfect movie that made all the fanboys happy, it wouldn’t break even, because nobody else would want to see it.