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Goyer Reveals ‘Man of Steel’ Sequel is ‘Further Along Than … People Realize’


Amid the whirlwind of discussion, outrage and petitions unleashed in the two months since Warner Bros. announced its Batman vs. Superman Man of Steel sequel — and in the month since the controversial casting of Ben Affleck as the Dark Knight — fans and industry watchers may have failed to consider something: just how far into development Zack Snyder & Co. actually are.

“One of the things that’s been fun for us,” screenwriter David S. Goyer says in a brief interview with The Associated Press, “is we’re a bit further along than I think people realize.”

That’s not to say all the efforts in the world would have much of an effect on the film, or its casting, even if development was in the embryonic stage.

“From a fan point of view … we’re conscious of the fan point of view when we’re working on these things, but you can’t let yourself be paralyzed by that,” he says. “At the end of the day you still have to create something, and if you try to think about what the fans like, or what the audience would like, then you stop being creative. It’s sort of like, where does it end? You have to write the story you want to write and hope that people want to see it.”

Goyer, who made waves again earlier this week in his defense of the Man of Steel‘s controversial ending, is also sure to ruffle a few feathers with his response to the question of who might win in a fight: Superman or Batman?

“Most comic-book purists would say Batman, because he’s the ultimate strategist, even though it makes no sense whatsoever,” he says. “If Superman just flicked his finger, Batman would be done for. I don’t know, you’ll have to watch the film in a year and a half or whatnot when it comes out to see what happens.

The Man of Steel sequel, which presumably will be called Batman Vs. Superman or Superman Vs. Batman, arrives July 17, 2015.


  • Sentry616

    Batman always wins because Batman.

  • Lic Guido-Visión Rosas Duarte

    . “If Superman just flicked his finger, Batman would be done for.”


    By the way, establishing that one charater is more powerful than another should have no relation to which one you like better or find more interesting. I think it’s funny how often these discussions boil down to a pissing contest, trying to justify how your favorite character would beat the other guy’s character.

  • sowat

    Given time to plan Batman will always win or beat anything or anybody.

    Given no time to prepare, Superman would destroy Batman. He’s just more powerful.

    (I prefer Batman over Superman by far)

  • Evan

    Goyer needs to remember that Batman is not STUPID enough to directly engage a force like Superman in a primitive fistfight. Batman is the master tactician and doesn’t show up unprepared or unready, except when his overconfidence became a crutch in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES (which, again, was due to Nolan’s plotting and Goyer’s writing).

  • Mike Davis

    I’ve been looking forward to a Batman/Superman movie for over 30 years… with one quote, Goyer just convinced me not to see it. He needs to read a few Batman/Superman and Justice League comics to get a better feel for the dynamic between these two guys.

  • iixkore

    it does not matter how much time batman has if superman gets serious he does not stand a chance.

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  • Andrew

    A quote that said absolutely nothing at all convinced you not to see it? Come, now… don’t be a hater.

  • Roger Perez

    Except for the 12 times he didnt in canon.

  • Roger Perez

    The dynamic isnt about them fighting. Batman respects Superman and hopes that if he ever goes evil that he can stop him. But he knows that he cant win. There is no need for him to win. If Lex Luthor is in the story Batman should not be the one to discover Kryptonite, he should only find out that Clark is Superman, but its should be Lex that discovers the weakness, but I hope we only see kryptonite used once and Batman saves Superman. Give us a real heavy hitte (Bizzaro or Metallo)r to distract Superman while Batman goes for Luthor.

  • Roger Perez

    To me they shouldn’t even fight, but if they do, Superman should win, but later on in the movie Superman falls for one of Lex’s Kryptonite death trap and Batman has to save him.

  • Eightball

    Crap… I agree with the guy with no understanding of caps lock.

    I don’t even know who I am anymore…

  • Seth Wilson

    Or not watch it since Goyer giving spoilers that Superman going to win. How he not know he’s the writer. ;)

  • Jeremy Lee

    Still hoping beyond hope that Bryan Cranston is Lex. Then I don’t care what else they do.

  • Andthat’slife

    Oh be quiet. You know you’re gonna see it. ;)

  • Happily LS

    They really don’t belong in the same movie universe. What made Nolan’s Batman so exciting was the realism. It was fantastical, sure, but no more fantastical than a Mission Impossible movie, or a Fast and Furious, or the recent Die Hards… etc. Stunts that strain credibility but still exist in a realistic universe.

    And before getting all up in arms about the idea that they don’t belong in a live action movie together, remember that this is all being done so that a very small number of people can make a lot of money– not to service character, or story, or anything like that. Money, money.

  • Devil_Dinosaur

    Let’s look at some Justice League covers, especially the ones where everyone’s rushing toward the viewer: Flash is running at super-speeds, Superman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern are flying toward us, and Batman is running, cape in the wind. What many (particularly Batman fans) fail to realize is that what we’re seeing is a microsecond before Batman is completely alone in the frame. Batman fans say that he’s more realistic, because he doesn’t have superpowers; actually, that’s why he’s the least realistic. A man who does what Batman does would be dead or institutionalized within a week. His superpower is that the writers won’t let him not be cool, ever.

  • Devil_Dinosaur

    I would have thought Man of Steel would have been enough to convince you not to see the sequel.

  • Devil_Dinosaur

    You assume they’re going to fight at all. Sounds like not so much. Superman flicks his finger and the 4 minute movie is over.

  • ComicBook Coby

    While Batman certainly won’t make the next movie any more kid-friendly, I’m looking forward to the added dynamics. Hopefully, they do this one right!

  • Seth Wilson

    Nah, there will be at least 2 hours of flashbacks before Superman go for the kill.

  • GC001

    Thank You God! Someone gets WHY I hate these articles, types of stories, and WHY I’m staying away from this film besides four words: Zack Snyder Ben Affleck.
    ‘Nuff Said!

  • Zod

    Lois Lane could knockout Batman.

  • Seth Wilson

    Pillow talk don’t count.

  • Batsup

    Title should be “World’s Finest”. Much cooler than the lame “Superman vs. Batman”. Thumbs up if you like this. =)

  • Andrew

    I’m sorry about all the mean nasty things Zack Snyder and Ben Affleck have done to you. I hope that despite their personal attacks against you, you can muster up the strength to see what will amount to being one of the highest grossing movies of all time.

  • Achirio

    The problem is, Batman is always prepared. I suggest that you all read “JLA: Tower of Babel”. Perfect example of how prepared he really is.

  • Ravi

    People underestimate Superman’s own ability to prepare for contingencies. It’s almost like that should be unfair. Superman’s enemies are so powerful that preparation and imagination are always needed. Power is never enough in Superman’s world, but without it you are a speck on a windshield. Batman’s world is very different, full of psychological twists and turns. His enemies are hilariously stupid looking, but when taken as reflections of ourselves we are willing to ignore that and just go with it. We like Batman, so he wins. Same with Superman. Those two are iconic reflections of humanity, or rather we like them so we are willing to project ourselves onto them. It’s always cool when Night and Day juxtapose, and amazing when they mix.

  • Ravi

    I completely agree. I’ve been a fan of Superman and Batman for over 40 years, and the Dark Knight Returns is one of the most twisted Superman-hating stories I’ve ever seen. No greater disservice has ever been done to any character in any medium. Ever. And it was done by company that created him. Unreal. They can take that damned quote ans shove it.

  • Ravi

    True. Batman’s greatest superpower is pwning others with Kevin Conroy quotes. Truth is nothing Batman does action-wise is impressive next to a woman flying and fighting ancient Gods at super speed, so they have to compensate with pwning quotes. The best writing of the character is a combination of Sherlock Holmes, Houdini, and James Bond. Batman is not a superhero, he’s a mastermind detective and all the writers forget that. Now he’s writing and distributing supercomputer viruses that disable the world’s technology at a transmitted word. BS to make him relevant. Stick with the basics and leave the quotes for something else. Avengers managed to make Captain America relevant. Justice League can do that for Batman without forcing it like the JLU cartoons or Darknight Returns did

  • Ravi

    No name recognition for the studio, otherwise I agree it’s perfect.

  • Samserpent

    I just hope that its and honest fight not a popularity contest ime not going to say batman cant beat superman or the other way around because they can but like if batman fights superman let him use his intelegense his older in the movie he has experience superman has just become superman he needs help , there it is