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‘Captain America’ Sequel Moves Away From ‘Boy Scout’ Territory

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Captain America is the most colorful Avenger on outfit alone, but in terms of personality? Maybe not so much. However, Captain America: The Winter Soldier will shed some of the “Boy Scout” image associated with Steve Rogers, co-writer Christopher Markus told Empire.

“What helps us get past the pious Boy Scout that he could turn into is that he doesn’t really want to be this guy,” he said. “He would prefer to be Steve Rogers just walking down the street, helping people sometimes. … He’s kind of the still centre and things happen around him and are influenced by him. It’s interesting in this movie, for instance, to watch his relationship with Black Widow, who of course has a very different outlook.”

“It can make it difficult with executives who often want arcs,” he continued. “It’s very difficult not to sound lazy when you go, ‘Well, he doesn’t really have an arc.'”

Co-director Anthony Russo added that Winter Soldier gets much of its edginess from topic, tone and the times we live in, if not from Rogers himself.

“What made ’70s thrillers interesting is that it was a very complicated time. We were peeling back the curtain with Watergate and realizing how corrupt the system was,” he said. “Now, again with the proliferation of social media, you can blow the whistle on the NSA and it can be round the world in 30 seconds. And we have the morality of drones. Is it right to preemptively use them to kill suspected terrorists prior to any sort of trial? So the times we’re living in are even more complex.”

Opening April 4, Captain America: The Winter Soldier stars Chris Evans, Scarlett Johansson, Sebastian Stan, Anthony Mackie, Samuel L. Jackson, Cobie Smulders, Haley Atwell, Toby Jones, Emily VanCamp, Max Hernandez, Frank Grillo, Georges St-Pierre and Robert Redford.

(via CBM)

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  • http://sdelmonte.livejournal.com/ Simon DelMonte

    Thing is, he IS a boy scout. Not as much as Superman, but a lot more than most. Which is part of the appeal of the character to me. Once again, some idiot filmmaker or writer decides that we need to make an old school hero more up to date. And that makes me worry about whether the sequel will be any fun to me.

  • warren

    I agree the appeal to Captain America is that he will do the “right” thing so when he is in hard situations it is very interesting. It is laziness to change the character then to see how the story would be. Hopefully this won’t be a lying, stealing, cheating, murdering captain America.

  • LeVar

    What I get from this is that he is still the Boy Scout, but Captain America has always been the guy to walk away from the Suit if he thinks America has changed or that he is not fighting for the right reasons. He doesn’t want to be a puppet. He is not so ignorant.

  • http://people.ign.com/siphen.0 Siphen

    That what I see from this as well

  • percane

    yes, he’s ditched the costume twice that i am aware of (once in the early 70s, once in the late 80s) due to becoming disillusioned with the US government and his role as a symbol of it, first as “Nomad” then as “the Captain”

  • LeVar

    Yeah, it actually makes since in context with the trailer. Also, this would be an interesting reason for him to wear the “Classic” War costume again. To harken back to those ideals.

  • sowat

    I agree. I don’t think this development is too far off from what was started in the Avengers… Cap was the one sneaking around the Hellicarrier based on suspicions SHIELD, our world protector was up to no good, and when he found out they were building weapons he was quick to call them out. He had no problems butting heads with Iron Man, either. It really seems their just adding to seeds that were already planted.

  • sowat

    they’re, not their…can’t believe I did that!

  • George Mitchell

    Another thing to consider, he spent most of WW2 sneaking around behind enemy lines as well.

  • afrocarter

    Did they just imply that there isn’t a character arc for the protagonist is this upcoming film? Uh oh.

  • g-evil

    I have often thought that for a solo Cap movie doing the who secret government angle or Secret Empire item that got him on the Nomad track for a while would be a good thing. the general audience would like that and understand it better than some weirdo villain MODOK or Dr. Faustus or a super powered serpent society thing, especially if done poorly.

  • The Mithril Guardian

    Calling Cap a ‘Boy Scout’ is a rather lazy turn of phrase in my opinion. This is because Cap IS the absolute best man in comicdom; if it were a personality throwdown betwixt Cap and Superman, Cap would win. Superman is power, totally and completely. Clark Kent, Superman’s civilian identity, is a mask Superman wears to dim his aura of power. This is one of the reasons I stopped following Superman after a certain age; he’s got a personality drier than month-old dead twigs. He is totally good all the time – cheering for Superman to win is the same as asking the sun to rise in the east. Both are as regular as clockwork – they never lose.

    Cap is more interesting than Superman because his costume does not make him who he is. Superman’s costume makes him a hero; Cap makes his costume legendary.

    As Dr. Erskine said in the first Captain America film, Steve Rogers never knew power. He was a weakling who got beaten up by the bigger boys and ignored by the girls. But he never ran from a fight – even though he knew that getting involved in a fight would very likely land him headfirst in someone’s trashcan.

    This is what most of the other characters in The First Avenger – and then in The Avengers – miss. When Tony Stark says, “Everything special about you came out of a bottle,” he’s only half right. All of Steve Rogers’ powers came out of a bottle. But his willingness to fight came from inside him – and that is what makes him special.

    When Mr. Markus says, “… is that he doesn’t really want to be this guy – He would prefer to be Steve Rogers just walking down the street, helping people sometimes. … He’s kind of the still center and things happen around him and are influenced by him….” he is not off-target. Cap wanted to enlist in the army, as he himself said, because,”I don’t like bullies. I don’t care where they’re from.” Once WWII was over Cap would have done exactly what most of the other GIs did when they got home. He would have hung up his uniform and gone back to being a civilian, building a post-war life for himself and enjoying every minute of it.

    But this is what he cannot be. There are always bullies. Cap cannot stay home too long because some other ‘bully’ – super villain, superpower, etc. – begins stirring up trouble as soon as he sits down. Cap doesn’t want to be the center of attention. But he “doesn’t like bullies,” and “bullies” never take a day off. So he has two choices before him. He can either sit back and let the “bullies” push everyone around, or he can go out and stop them.

    He chooses to stop them. SHIELD simply gives him the info on who’s who, what’s what, etc. But once they give him that info and once he’s out in the field, it is Cap who will make the decision on how to deal with the situation before him. Through the events of The Avengers, he knows he can’t trust Fury. He told Tony as much when they were discussing Coulson’s last stand. But as he also said in that same interview, “Right now we need to put that aside and get this job done.”

    Cap doesn’t trust Fury and Fury knows it. They’ll work together, but their methods will always be different. Fury’s attitude is, “The ends justify the means. Sometimes there is no other way to solve the problem.” Cap’s attitude is, “There is ALWAYS a way out.”

    The filmmakers/writers can try to change Cap, but it won’t work too well. They already tried to kill him in the comics, and that didn’t work out in their favor. I don’t recall hearing a lot of praise for Marvel’s Ultimate Captain America – who is about as un-Cap personality-wise as it is possible to be – but I don’t always get that type of news. Maybe that Cap has had a better reception than I have been led to believe. Regardless, I think the cinematic Cap’s chances for surviving The Winter Soldier with his personality intact are far from bleak. He hasn’t changed radically in fifty or more years. He hasn’t changed in the previous films. In a bout between the filmmakers/writers and Cap, my money’s on Cap. He hasn’t lost yet, so I’m willing to stand behind him on this one.

  • Jay

    No, it seems like to me that they are referring to stripping away his authority figure like stature. Captain America works best when he serves the principles of the nation who is a part of his namesake rather than the government currently in power.

    Which is what DC should have done/ should be doing to Superman as well/

  • Charlie

    As far as I know , most folks like Ultimate Captain America . Don’t know why you think otherwise . he is the same old Cap , only more aggressive . Anyway , you are spot on with the rest of your post .

  • Joshua Melo

    Plus him ditching heroism for a while would make sense given Stark and Thor are taking a breather.

  • Happily LS

    Well put.

    I didn’t get the impression that they were trying to make Cap’s personality “edgier”. I think they were just referring to the events of the film, which many have speculated will have Cap leaving SHIELD, or at least working against them for part of the film because he disagrees with what they’re doing.

    Plus, Marvel keeps a much tighter lock on their film characters than everyone else. There’s no way in hell they would let some hired screenwriter go rogue with Captain America’s personality. It’d just never happen.