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‘Man of Steel’ Sequel Buzz: How Big is Wonder Woman’s Role?

Principal photography begins shortly on director Zack Snyder’s Man of Steel sequel, and still so many questions remain. Is Lex Luthor in the film? How much Wonder Woman will we see? When will we get our first look at Ben Affleck as Batman?

While we wait for official news on those questions and more, founder Jett took to his website over the weekend to provide some answers of his own. None of this is gospel by any means, but in Jett’s defense, he has a long and solid track record where Batman’s concerned — in other words, take the following with a pinch of salt, but a smaller pinch than usual.

According to Jett, Lex Luthor is indeed in the film, as is another as-yet unnamed villain. Martian Manhunter and Aquaman will not appear, despite the inclusion of some of their Justice League pals. As for Wonder Woman, Jett suggests her role is “on par with Scarlett Johansson’s first appearance as Black Widow in Iron Man 2,” with set-up potential for a future solo film. Further, Jett bets “a year’s pay in Monopoly money” that the DC Cinematic Universe will interpret the Amazons as descendants of ancient Kryptonians; you can speculate on that in the comments below.

Finally, Jett believes we’ll get our first look at Ben Affleck as Batman “really soon.” He expects Warner Bros. to release an early publicity still shortly after filming begins, “to lessen the blow of bootleg set spy-pics,” ala Sony’s strategy with The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

Once again, take all of that as rumor until proven otherwise. With production set to begin soon, many of our questions will be answered in the coming weeks and months — including, hopefully, an official title, so we can stop calling it “the untitled Man of Steel sequel” already.

Also starring Henry Cavill, Gal Gadot and Amy Adams, the untitled Man of Steel sequel flies into theaters on July 17, 2015.

Update: Jett has written a follow-up on Facebook that states, in part, “In the recent mailbag I did with you all, I speculated on how Goyer/Snyder *might* account for the origins of the Amazons: Decedents of ancient Kryptonian astronauts who were able to create an all-female race due to Kryptonians artificially creating their offspring. It was nothing but a guess — pure speculation and my opinion — and nothing more. Now, many outlets have picked up the ‘story’ and have run it as either me claiming it to be fact or me claiming it’s ‘inside info/rumor.’ BULLSH*T! I get that people are anxious for BvS news, but this was ridiculous! One dude on one badass outlet went on a tirade/rant over the whole thing which pretty much amounted to an online meltdown directed towards WB.”


  • Patrick Maloney

    Very interesting

  • Troy

    There was that empty suspended animation pod in the ship Clark found in Man of Steel so that could work into the Amazonians being descended from Kryptonians.

  • jloder24

    Wasn’t there a scene in MoS when Clark enters the kryptonian scout ship buried in the ice and one of the status pods was empty with no dead Kryptonian inside? That could, maybe, be setting the stage for how a kryptonian fostered a race of kryptonian descendants surviving on a deserted island. On one hand, I think this is a horrible idea, as it really changes the origin of WW and eliminates this movie version as the “last son of Krypton”. On the other hand, I could see how WB would want a knew background story for Diana that doesn’t include the Greek gods. Still, I think letting WW have derive her powers from kryptonian blood is right up there with midichlorians giving the Jedi their powers, and will probably be met with the same derision from the fans. Hopefully this part of the rumor is false.

  • jloder24

    *movie version of Superman

  • JokersNuts

    Why is everyone so afraid of Wonder Woman’s origin? Norse Gods are more believable than Greek Gods?

  • MichaelSacal

    I like the theory about Amazons and Kryptonians.

  • MichaelSacal

    The two are not mutually exclusive. Amazons can be connected to Gods and Kryptonians. Or maybe Kryptonians were worshiped as Gods by the ancient Greeks. Chariots of the Gods and all that stuff.

  • KilowogTrout

    I would hardly call the Kryptonian heritage as bad as midichloreans. At least it make sense in the universe of the movie. The old Kryptonians could be the gods and then go into hiding and that totally makes sense. Better than cramming all of Greek mythology into this already jam packed movie.

  • Lyle

    I truly hope they give her her mythological origins, because she is the first super hero to have that, and, why get rid of the one thing that makes her unique. I guess I would be cool with the Greek Gods being a different species of alien (not Kryptonian) that came to our world centuries ago and effected us, even though Thor already did that, because it could still show why she’s different from the other heroes, especially Superman. By giving her Superman’s origin, you are condemning her to be Superman lite, which is something others have already accused her of. One of the few smart things Smallville did (and it could be argued there were very few) was not having all the superheroes gain their powers by Kryptonite infection, because making them be created just because Superman is out there lessened their coolness, and I hope the writers of this project realize this, too.

  • C4darkmane

    yer, but wish they didnt… grumble grumble

  • Irabbit75

    I completely agree, I think this is the type of continuity which would make sense for the DCU without the big push into mysticism and the Gods. I wonder if they’ll segue that into Atlanteans as well. The Genesis Chamber was designed to create Kryptonians for specific roles, why not a race designed to thrive in the oceans of a planet that’s 70% water?

  • Jason A. Quest

    Tying the Amazons to Krypton is a stroke of brilliance right up there with the Metagene, Bloodlines, and that business about all super powers coming from The Source back in the 90s. Which is to say it’d be an embarrassingly stupid attempt to turn an interesting variety of characters into cookie-cutter sameness.

  • WonderScott

    Tying Diana and the Amazons to the Kryptonians would be a ginormous mistake.

  • percane

    i can see the logic to it. i think the companies are hesitant to mix science and magic into the same world. for example, in the MCU, Thor isn’t actually a god, he’s an Alien. they shied away from the mandarin having 10 actual rings, and so on. it’s a good explanation for removing the magic from the myth (they can still be mythological)

  • Meteoro de Jirombas

    Further, Jett bets “a year’s pay in Monopoly money” that the DC Cinematic Universe will interpret the Amazons as descendants of ancient Kryptonians; you can speculate on that in the comments below.


  • Meteoro de Jirombas

    Well. In the LEague cartoon Thanagarians were worshiped as Gods in ancient Egypt

  • JGLives

    Why not, it’s not like WB respects their female characters… :(

  • Meteoro de Jirombas

    Well. In the LEague cartoon Thanagarians were worshiped as Gods in ancient Egypt. Why this could not have happened to Kryptonians?

  • Meteoro de Jirombas

    And the kryptonians blood was mixed with human blood, like Sayajins

  • Ted Bragg

    I’m really starting to like this… :-)

  • drno07

    I believe that they released a companion comic to the movie that explained the empty pod as belonging to SPOILER:

    Kara Zor El

  • drno07

    I like the idea of suggesting the Greek gods are actually just powerful aliens, but it doesn’t have to be Kryptonians. They would not even need to name the specific race, just something like: “they came from the heavens…”

    That being said, why not distinguish yourself from the Marvel universe by purposefully including magic? That is supposed to be one of Superman’s weaknesses and there are so many great magical characters. Zatanna. John Constantine (yes, I am aware that there is a movie by that name). Spectre. Deadman. Etc. And I thought I heard that Guillermo del Toro was supposedly interested in making a Justice League Dark movie? So why fall back on the alien explanation if you don’t need to?

  • Seth Wilson

    Would that just make her Superwoman?

  • PietroMaximoff

    Kryptonian origin doesn’t sound so bad…. i guess they try to make the characters connect to the same mythology. however, it means WW will now be weak against kryptonyte???

  • Walt4141

    That link will take you to an article about a prequel for the MoS. It links out to the comic itself, it’s only about 15 pages. They actually explain how the ship landed there, and why the pods on board were empty.

  • Kabuce

    Having Amazons descend via blood from ancient Kryptonians would kill the potential for Bizarro and Superboy, who are both attempts at cloning or integrating Kryptonian DNA…I don’t know how I feel about that. I also don’t think Wonder Woman has to be tied to one or both of the two big guns at DC to support her own franchise, mythology sells itself, just look at Clash and Wrath of the Titans or the 2 Hercules movies out this year…. I do have a feeling they’re going to introduce Diana as Lex’s bodyguard though, that could work…

  • MaskedManAICN

    WB just keeps coming up with reasons for me not to watch this movie.

  • Kelly

    Wonder Woman, a member of the El family?
    No thanks.
    Stick with her own origin. Batman has his own origin. Superman has his own origin. Wonder Woman has her own origin. None of them are related, one to the other.
    Why would they jettison the idea of magic and then make plans for a JL Dark movie and Constantine show? That makes no sense.

    And let’s not buy into Jett’s “wishful thinking posing as scoops” BS.
    He was positive Ledger would never be the Joker, that Hush was the villain of TDKR, and that there was no way Affleck would be Batman. He was wrong on all major “predictions”. He’s no more right than any of us here.

    Lex Luthor is MOS 2? By golly, he was right! No Batman villains? There he goes again! Anything he guesses right, most of us could have done the same. On the big important guesses he always gets it wrong. Wonder Woman as a Kryptonian was a suggestion floating around a few months ago, and I doubt they got it from Jett.
    He’s also said the new Batsuit will would be part Batman Beyond and part Kingdom Come, which doesn’t match what Kevin Smith hinted at.

    Take anything Jett says with a grain of salt. He has no scoops; just guesses and a wish list like the rest of us.

  • Chase

    Come on people. It’s Zack Snyder! You had to know he was gonna do some major changes to her origins. Hopefully he doesn’t mess with Batman’s, but like I said, it’s Zack “I’ll fuck with it if I want to” Snyder, so I see a change of some kind coming there too.

  • Todd

    As much as I don’t like the idea of Wonder Woman being a Kryptonian I do like your idea and Irabbit75’s idea as well. If done right I could see it possibly working.

  • Todd

    As much as I don’t like it I could see it working if the Amazon’s are descendants of Krypton, but only if done right. Considering Tony Star is going to be the one making Ultron and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver probably won’t be mutants in Avengers 2 so I will at least give this a chance.

  • unpaidpundit

    Hate, hate, hate the idea of Amazons as Kryptonians. Why would there be no men among the Amazons? Stick to the Greek myths. There are not one, but two Hercules movies being released this year, so at least some people in Hollywood think the Greek myths are worth revisiting.

  • unpaidpundit

    I suspect Marvel didn’t want Thor portrayed as a god because they feared it might offend today’s monotheists. Lame. The Greek gods have been featured in countless Hollywood movies. People should be able to accept mythological polytheism.

  • Laura

    Remember its all just rumours, I can imagine her having a bigger role thou.

  • derpdogss

    Most Americans, religious and not, find Polytheism a bit cheesy. More comfortable explaining their origin to be ancient aliens, like in the Marvel Movies or the StarGate series.

  • Thomas

    Well, the Norse gods in the Marvel CU are actually aliens. Not actual gods. In the DCCU it would be better to use the Greek gods as aliens rather than jam-packing gods into the story.

  • YoYoMa

    I’m not sure how I feel about the Amazon being from Krypton. This leads to a whole lot red flags to continuum from the aspect of core fans and none fans alike because none fans have an idea of the origins of the main three of DC. Also, we see the doing away with of the Gods of Olympus, how to deal with issue of WW not being affected or affected by Kryptonite, and why there are no male Kryptonians on Themiscyra. I also seen other comments concerning the pod being opened on the ship I like to call Solitude basically saying maybe an Amazon could have emerged from the pod. I say highly unlikely. I prefer the theory of Kara El emerged from the pod as backdoor to another sequel or possible spinoff movie.

  • David Young

    About the only thing I DIDN’T care for in the Thor movies was making the Asgardians aliens. I think it was kind of a wuss out. Of course, even in the comic books there’s been some questioning by the Asgardians themselves as to what being a “god” actually means, which to me is a much more interesting avenue for speculation.

  • Said Atala

    Cookie-cutter samenss. You just described the New 52.

  • Ernie K

    “Jett bets “a year’s pay in Monopoly money” that the DC Cinematic Universe will interpret the Amazons as descendants of ancient Kryptonians”

    I just developed a fairly severe facial and neck twitch.

  • Jim617

    gotta admit – they’re Really good rumors

  • Jimjammin

    I don’t like the idea of the Amazon’s being descendents of Krypton because it totally devalues the concept, the creation and all the history that was diligently put together by many great writers. Wonder Woman is as much an icon as Superman and Batman, and she deserves her story to be told properly. To just blatently disregard her mythos and make her essentially another “Supergirl”/”Powergirl” copycat is disgusting. She begot all other female super heroes, she deserves RESPECT.
    And to make her a Kryptonian they are essentially saying in this entire cosmos “Only” Kryptonians are powerful, and to that I say “Hog wash”. DC needs to show a Universe that is diversified, where there are many super powered beings who are just as powerful as one another, making them stop to acknowledge the fact that they aren’t the only powerhouse around. Making them utilize other tactics and skills to fight for their belief system. Superman should be Kryptonian and the baddest one there is, just as Wonder Woman should be a Demi-god raised Amazonian. Their strength should be equal and WW should be second to none in fight and battle skills, and Superman should be second to none in other skills, since he has a wide range of other abilities. DC/Warner Bros just do these characters right. You guys did great IMO with Batman Begins thru The Dark Knight Returns as well as The Man of Steel. The stories/orgins were tweeked a little, but it stayed true to who they are, just do the same to Wonder Woman.

  • The One and Only

    Wasn’t it already explained that the ship Clark found in MAN OF STEEL in the mail away prequel book by David Goyer and Jerry Ordway as having Kara Zor-El/Supergirl on it ?

  • Joshua Epstein

    No point getting too worked up over what is, at this point, pure speculation.

  • Mitch Cumstein

    Just the opposite actually. They didn’t want to offend atheists with talk of gods so they went with aliens. As if that’s more believable.

  • JusticeBringer

    Uh, Thor’s still very much regarded as a God. He even calls himself one. So does Stark. Posters have said The God of Thunder. Cap even takes issue with the premise in The Avengers. Asgardians are regarded the same way in the comics.

  • NX-10 Nemesis

    Good thing no movies are not beholden to comic tie-ins. Looking at you Star Trek!

  • NX-10 Nemesis

    The more I think about this, the more I’m ok with the idea. DC comics does not faithfully portray Amazon culture, myth and history in their books. Just like Marvel does not faithfully portray Norse culture, myths and history in their books.

    Everything about the Amazons can stay the same. The warrior women, the women only society, being oppressed and abused by men before becoming Amazons. All of that can stay. All that’s changing is where their powers come from. That’s not a deal breaker in a movie about fictional characters who are based off of Greek myths.

    If Wonder Woman being descended from Kryptonians bothers you, consider that this is just another adaptation of a character. The Golden Age WW was Hippolyta. SIlver Age through Modern Age was Diana who was a baby formed from clay and given powers through divine empowerment. New52 Diana is the natural born daughter of Zeus and Hippolyta. Making Diana a demigod. Just Zeus’ other deimigod children Perseus, and Hercules. The clay baby story was made up to protect Diana from Hera’s wrath. If you are familiar with Greek Myths you know Hera hates that Zeus sleeps around, and tries to punish his lovers and demigod children born from his affairs.

  • Spidey Freak

    I too prefer the Amazons and the Greek Gods being aliens but not descendants of Kryptonians. Let them be their own alien race from planet Olympus, a very feudal, monarchist based race like godly versions of the scheming noble houses from Game of Thrones.

  • ProbablyNotGeoffJohns

    Hey, guys. I’m Geoff Johns. I thought this would be as good a place as any to address something that seems to come up when we talk about stuff like this.

    As the one guy with a foot in both the comics side of DC comics, as well as the movies and television side of DC comics, I feel like I’m probably the guy to speak out about this stuff.

    I want to start by saying I love DC. I love it’s characters. There’s something about the DC Universe that is way more attractive to me than anything any other company has to offer. I’d rather be writing Metamorpho than the headliner on X-Men.

    So I totally get what it means to love these characters. I do.

    So when I say what I’m about to say, I’m speaking as one of you.

    And honestly, I think we all have a common goal. We all want to see DC comics become as popular as they were in the 90’s. We all want to see as many people as excited about comics as used to be excited about comics. Even people who are mad at us, I think, are mad at us because they think we’re messing that up instead of helping that happen.

    So here’s what I want to say:

    We’ve been at this comics stuff a long time. Like, years and years. So every time I come on a website like this and read something like, “Why can’t DC just . . .” the fact is, we’ve tried it. Whatever it is you’re saying, chances are, we gave it a shot.

    We’ve tried focusing on stories. We’ve tried giving more freedom to the writer. We’ve tried giving more freedom to the artist. We’ve tried capping our prices at the lowest possible number that made any sense. We’ve tried avoiding events. We’ve tried making stand alone events that don’t require reading 20 different titles just to understand what’s going on. We’ve tried taking characters back to their roots. We’ve tried doing fresh, “modern” updates to the characters. We’ve tried it all.

    Now, when I say we’ve tried it, maybe we haven’t done the exact thing you’re saying with the exact character you’re talking about, but we’ve done the KIND of thing you’re saying with SOME character.

    In all these years of trying all of these different things, there is only one time-tested, proven method of selling more comics. Only one thing will guarantee that the number of copies sold of an issue will go up.

    (Besides variant covers, I mean.)

    Want to know what that is?

    I’ll give you a hint. It’s not a tender character moment in the middle of the issue for your favorite side character. It’s not the great way that a fantastic artist registers the surprise on the face of a character on page 3. It’s not a satisfying story well drawn. It’s just not. We can do all of things and the comic can disappear into oblivion, never to be collected in trade paperback or ever be heard from again.

    There is only one tried and true way of moving issues off the stands.

    Can you guess what it is?

    Here’s a hint: It’s the thing that has worked for us since we killed off Robin and Superman.

    You guessed it. You probably didn’t even need the hint.

    News headlines.

    If we can get headlines, we can move comics. We can get seats in the theatre. We can push our product by making the news.

    Now, it’s gotten harder to do since the old days when Robin and Superman were on the 6 o’clock news. Mainstream news media outlets have caught on to the fact that in comics, no one stays dead except the Waynes and Uncle Ben. (Although we were hoping to get more mileage out of making it look like Thomas Wayne was back a while ago.)

    Thankfully, the internet has introduced a plethora of comics news websites, so while we might not make, if we’re in a pinch, we can still always off somebody to get attention on websites like this one.

    But with death not quite as effective at getting media attention, we’ve had to move on. Thankfully, though, in the internet age, finding a go-to attention getter has kind of solved itself.

    Basically, all we need is controversy.

    We just need something that will get a reaction. If we can get enough fans to react to something, they all start tweeting and posting about it. And if we can get enough fans to tweet and post about it, the comics news sites will feel obligated to cover it. And once the comics news sites feel obligated to cover it, MORE people will react to it. And the snowball builds.

    Then, the cool thing is that there are enough celebrity geeks now that, if the news gets big enough, some of THEM will feel obligated to weigh in on it, and once they weigh in on it, then the controversy becomes more mainstream and hopefully we’ll get some mentions on Fallon or Kimmel or The Daily Show.

    THEN we have a comic that sells. Or a movie that makes money. Or a TV show people watch.

    As much as everybody ranted about Superman being a deadbeat Dad in Superman Returns, how much money did it make? As much as everybody swore up and down that they hated having Superman kill somebody, didn’t all the controversy keep the film relevant for weeks after its release?

    Two words: Ben Affleck. Is there anybody, comic reader or not, who isn’t going to be at the theatre to see if he can come through after all the controversy?

    So look, I get it. I love Diana as much as all of you. And how much you like this idea (which I’m not confirming) is probably directly related to how much you care about her as a character. If you don’t mind if she shows up in your comics once in a while, you probably don’t care if she’s Kryptonian or Martian or a cyborg. If you love the character, this probably feels like we’re ignoring everything you love about the character.

    Nobody knows this truth better than me: When a character you love gets “rebooted,” it’s like someone is saying, “We’d rather have someone else as a fan of this character than you.”

    But this is a business. We have to make money. And what we have shown makes us the most money, time and time again, is creating controversy and grabbing for headlines.

    So yes, will make Diana into the illegitimate daughter of the greek gods. We will pull dream creative teams apart at the last minute. When we revamp a character, we’re not going to bother being particularly deft about how how we do it. We will make Robin into Batman’s illegitimate son from the drug-induced rape of Bruce Wayne. And then kill him.

    And yes, absolutely, positively, with no doubt, we will make Superman kill.

    We don’t really love it either. We roll our eyes at some of the stuff that’s happened just as much as you do.

    And we certainly aren’t going to be selling very many books for beginning readers about Robin’s new origins, I can tell you that much.

    But the sad fact is, after testing and re-testing, trying some things and trying other things, and reviewing sales data and market research for years, this is the only tried and true method we have.

    I mean, even this doesn’t always work. You have no idea how many of our comics stories are generated solely in the hopes that they will be the big new twitter argument of the month. Seriously, do you have any idea how many artists we’ve had re-draw panels of women in the hopes that somebody would get outraged or notice the body positioning was impossible or otherwise give us some free space on their blog? And half the time it just slips right by everybody’s notice.

    And even I don’t have it down to a science yet. You have no idea how much flack I got that this whole Forever Evil/Dick Grayson thing didn’t go bigger than it did.

    But so far, it’s worked often enough to keep the sales going, and it certainly seems to work better than anything else we’ve tried.

    So for the immediate future, this is just how things are going to be. Expect more dead people, gay characters, reboots, and characters acting in ways that are pretty much the opposite of who you understand them to be.

    Don’t be surprised when our “Fresh, new take” on a character seems deliberately designed to upset people–it WAS deliberately designed to upset people. If all we do is change a costume, nobody’s going to tweet outrage. (Except maybe if we give them high collars. That one surprised us, but we plan to keep using it.) We’ve got to find some way to make somebody mad if we want anybody to notice it.

    So look, guys, I’m sorry, but this is just how things are now. What sells comics is no longer about price, story, character moments, art, or the adventures of your favorite superhero. What sells comics is controversy, hype, and headlines.

    So why am I coming clean about all of this?

    Because I love DC, just like you do. And my heart breaks a little for all of you guys, because I know that somewhere, in the back of your minds, you’re hoping that someday, maybe in a couple of years, things will change. You’re hoping we’ll go back to what you always loved about DC comics.

    So I just want to break it to you, here, once and for all–that’s never going to happen. Even if you see a headline that says something like, “Joker’s getting his face back” or something, don’t get your hopes up we’re going back to the way you liked things. We just pulled another stunt in the hopes we’d get that headline, and we got it. We’ll probably make his hair red or something in the next issue just to try to get the headlines back.

    I figure just telling you outright is probably better than having the realization come slowly in the coming years. Better to rip the band-aid off all at once.


    PS Guys, I say this with the utmost love, but you can stop posting comments on sites like this that say things like, “This is the last straw! I’m dropping this title!” or “There’s no way I’m seeing this movie now!” in the hopes we’ll get scared and change it back. The sales figures show us that either you’re lying or your outrage is just driving someone else to spend their money to see what you’re so mad about.

    And if it’s the latter, then maybe you should keep posting comments like that after all.

    PPS Since you’re read this whole thing, I’ll go ahead and give you one more reassurance. We’ve already got it planned that in the initial spate of publicity for the Justice League movie, we’re going to call it “The Justice Force.” We know this should drive the internet absolutely bonkers. We’ll milk it as long as we can before announcing that we’ve “given the fans what they want” and changed the name back to “Justice League.” We’ll probably throw in some claptrap about how it required some re-shoots, just to make it seem legit. But as a reward for readng my whole little letter here, I’ll give you peace of mind about the title. No promises about the rest of the movie, though. Let’s just say there will be a reason none of the publicity materials call him the “Martian” Manhunter.

  • Happily LS

    The main drawback I see is that it would give her the same weaknesses as Superman: kryptonite. Or “Kryptonian air” like in MoS, which was, let’s face it, a stand-in for kryptonite.

  • Happily LS

    …good point. Probably the best one so far.

  • gaytrekkie

    They could be aliens, but don’t make them Kryptonian. That’s Supergirl, not Wonder Woman.

  • gaytrekkie

    I thought this was highly speculated to be Kara Zor-El, aka Supergirl.

  • gaytrekkie

    No it would make much more sense that it was occupied by Kara Zor-El, aka Supergirl, you know that famous female Kryptonian? e.g. NOT WONDER WOMAN!!!!

  • Irabbit75

    No, there was a lot of supposition about it but to my knowledge it was never confirmed. Kara ZorEl is Hipolyta?

  • Irabbit75

    Genesis chamber glitch? “It’s just popping out girls now!”

  • Christopher Davis

    It seems everyone’s just grasping at anything they can when it comes to news with this movie.