Zack Snyder Reveals How Batman Ended Up in ‘Man of Steel’ Sequel

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When it was announced last year at Comic-Con International that Superman would face Batman in the sequel to Man of Steel, many fans were excited by the possibility of a Dark Knight Returns-style showdown. Still, plenty of others wondered whether it was the right time, or the right place, to introduce a new actor beneath the cape and cowl.

While director Zack Snyder is clearly relishing the idea of the Dark Knight having such a large presence in the film — he’ll even share the title, if initial reports of Batman Vs. Superman are correct — he reveals in a new interview that’s not how he initially envisioned it.

“I gotta be honest, it definitely was a thing that … after Man of Steel finished and we started talking about what would be in the next movie, I started subtly mentioning that it would be cool if he faced Batman,” he tells Forbes. “In the first meeting, it was like, ‘Maybe Batman?’ Maybe at the end of the second movie, some Kryptonite gets delivered to Bruce Wayne’s house or something. Like in a cryptic way, that’s the first time we see him. But then, once you say it out loud, right? You’re in a story meeting talking about, like, who should [Superman] fight if he fought this giant alien threat Zod who was basically his equal physically, from his planet, fighting on our turf …  You know, who to fight next? The problem is, once you say it out loud, then it’s kind of hard to go back, right? Once you say, ‘What about Batman?’ then you realize, ‘OK, that’s a cool idea. What else?’ I mean, what do you say after that? … But I’m not gonna say at all that when I took the job to do Man of Steel that I did it in a subversive way to get to Batman. I really believe that only after contemplating who could face [Superman] did Batman come into the picture.”

The significance of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman — DC Comics’ oft-mentioned “Trinity” — appearing together on the big screen isn’t lost on the filmmaker, either.

“The thing also that’s really fascinating for me is that, even just in the tests we’ve been doing, the costumes, right? You basically have Batman and Superman — and this is without Ben [Affleck] and Henry [Cavill] in the costumes, but just like the stand-ins, just testing to see what the costumes look like,” Snyder says. “And  you have them standing there and they’re standing in the same shot — and then we have Wonder Woman, you know, all three of them in the same shot. Even just for a test, you really have to go, ‘Wow, that’s crazy!’ Not only is it the first time that I’m seeing them, it’s the first time they’ve ever existed together on screen in a movie. And that’s kind of a huge deal. Even just Batman and Superman standing next to each other … [I]t’s kind of epic. You do sort of sense the weight of the pop culture iconography jumping out of its skin when you’re standing there looking at the two of them and Wonder Woman. It’s crazy. But it’s fun. I mean, I have the first photo, I’ve got it in my archive because I was like, ‘OK, I better keep this, it’s gonna be worth something!’”

Arriving May 6, 2016, the Man of Steel sequel stars Henry Cavill, Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, Amy Adams, Jesse Eisenberg, Jeremy Irons, Laurence Fishburne, Holly Hunter and Diane Lane.

(via ComingSoon)

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  • Statham

    Ugh. Wonder Woman is going to be terrible in this movie. And that’s not a reflection on the actress they’ve picked, more the fact she’s going to be the third wheel, pretty blatantly. It reeks of her being shoehorned in because DC/WB are desperate to establish their movie universe.

  • Name

    “Not only is it the first time that I’m seeing them, it’s the first time they’ve ever existed together on screen in a movie.”
    It looks like Mr. Snyder forgot to see The Lego Movie…

  • amp69

    I’m just happy the Amazing Amazon will be in this movie!

  • Viznix

    I call BS. WB has been hinting at this for years. I doubt Snyder really wanted to do it this way.

  • Viznix

    I call BS. WB has been hinting at this for years. I doubt Snyder really wanted to do it this way.

  • Baron

    I don’t think that Warner’s saying “Crap. We better Batman this up” is a real strong endorsement of your Superman franchise. And since they’ve already bolted to 2016 to avoid being the third biggest movie of 2015, they’d better not try and go up against “Cap 3″. Can’t win that fight, and losing the opening weekend would be a body blow.

  • j

    I wish I had even half the prescience of most of the people I see commenting on the internet. God, you guys have it made, always knowing in advance how bad movies that haven’t been made yet are going to be.

  • Michael Singer

    A movie with Batman and Superman (THE two most iconic/recognizable comic book characters ever) AND Wonder Woman (probably the most iconic/recognizable female comic book character ever) ALL appearing in appearing in the same live-action movie for the first time ever vs. the third movie in a Captain America series, Snyder must be loving those odds. Don’t get me wrong, I love Cap and TWS was fantastic, but this is no contest. Batman vs. Superman wins hands down. Oh and it’s not about not having confidence in Superman, it’s about growing their DCCU. You know, kind of like Marvel did and gets praised for.

  • Michael Singer

    So what? They introduce her here and then gets her own movie (or appears in JL). Not seeing the problem here. Also, there seem to be a lot of psychics on the internet since they just know that this will suck before we really no anything about the plot/story and two years before it comes out.

  • TheBoost

    is she being “shoehorned in” or is it just DC deciding a girl’s name in the title is icky?

  • Torch

    B!tch, PLEASE! Superman destroyed a Wayne Tech satellite during the fight with Zod! Batman’s gonna cap his @$$!

  • Joey Johnson

    yeah, and the guy you responded to was clearly joking

  • Joey Johnson

    why didn’t he just say, “uh, avengers, hear of it?”

  • Justin

    THANK YOU!!!!! I only wish I could up-vote this more….

  • Blackbelt_Jones

    Yeah,like how all those internet people were saying that Batman and Robin would suck even before it was finished shooting.I believe those internet people also said Green Lantern would suck as well as both Fantastic Four movies…..huh? They all sucked? And those internet people saw it coming…..but you didn’t.hmmmm.

  • Ernie Rothstein

    I don’t think he is saying the movie will be bad, he is just saying it feels forced and I agree

  • SenorApplesauce

    I agree, it feels forced.

    They are going to have to follow up the world coming to grips with aliens from the first movie to .. what? introducing an ancient island of godlike Amazonians?

    They might as well throw in Atlantis and get the whole thing out in the open for humans to have their minds completely blown.

    (after typing, I guess they could keep WW a part of the movie, but her still not being ‘famous’ super hero WW, known to all)

  • todd

    Did you not see The Winter Solider? Black Widow and Falcon weren’t shoehorned in and no one was a third wheel.

  • Chuck777

    Cap definitely could not beat Bats vs Supes. However, he doesn’t have to. All Cap needs to do is draw away enough people to make BvS have a weak opening weekend. It could potentially doom DC’s entire movie endeavor. They are, after all, just one poorly selling movie away from shelving the whole shared universe.

  • Chuck777

    Cap and Black Widow were previously established characters. Falcon, though important to the movie, is not an A-list super hero the way Wonder Woman is. her inclusion feels forced because people want her to not be a tag along, they want her to be an incredibly meaningful – and important – character. To do otherwise feels disrespectful.

    I know DC has the ability to pull this off but they must tread carefully.

  • Dalton Munnal

    You point out that it’s his third film not realizing that every sequel in the Marvel Universe has outgrossed the movie before it. Also, it’s not about who makes more money. Of course Man of Steel 2 is going to make more money. The question is, will it make enough money for WB to give a shit about making more? Marvel Studios doesn’t give a shit if one of their movies performs less than stellar. Cap 3 is going to be the 13th movie out in their franchise the day that DC gets out their 2nd. If Marvel fails they’ll shrug it off. If Man of Steel 2 fails WB is going to do better things with their money.

  • buckwhizzle

    Batmans universe has already been established.Shouldn’t they establish Supermans first before bringing them together?

  • Kaizokuman

    Hindsight man. People can say anything about a movie and have it be right.

  • Blackbelt_Jones

    All I’m saying is that sometimes when people call things in advanced it’s not always fanboy knee jerk reactions.there are some people who get all the information and make an informed decision based on facts,such as,Man of Steel was a let down,Zack Snyder is all visual and no soul,Nolanizing Superman doesn’t work,DC has no stable plan for how to make these movies flow together,no one on script duty inspires much confidence…..etc.

  • Blackbelt_Jones

    Thusly giving it a far greater likelihood of sucking. It’s a reasonable conclusion to make.

  • http://www.howdohound.com HowDoHound

    Agreed on that point. It seems like WB/DC can’t decide on a clear direction. Moreover, it is probably a direct result of the fact that they are rushing it. Just slow down. Don’t worry about Marvel. Don’t worry about how much money you can make the next five years… Think about real long term, like the next twenty years, split up in segments, or dare I say it, phases. You know, like phase one, phase two, etc?

  • Veritas0519

    @Blackbelt Jones I’m a fan, sir. Your posts are insightful, clear, and, perhaps most important of all to me, mostly respectful. I always dig reading what you have to say and, while I don’t always agree, I always feel like I’m better informed and like I didn’t waste my time finding out your opinion. I usually don’t take the time to praise someone but I just wanted to offer this much to you. I thank you for your contributions to my browsing and ask that you keep up the awesome work.

  • Veritas0519

    After the Nolan movies and Bale’s classic performances I think ANY “new” Batman is going to be a let down. Add in that they’re doing this one so soon after the conclusion to the Nolan trilogy and this just reeks of being a terrible idea. And I agree that throwing all three in together feels forced. I’m a HUGE DC fan (my Top 5 characters includes only 1 from Marvel) but Marvel had the right idea by setting their big characters up in individual movies first. Once you establish your core you can get away with backdooring your secondary characters in and out without rhyme or reason. But definitely not before. You have to establish who this Batman is and why he would feel the need to take Superman down before sending him in. To tell a proper story you need to establish Superman (done), establish Batman (with his own solo role), THEN you have them fight (this movie), THEN you bring them together (a JL flick). DC is cramming three separate stories into one movie just for the sake of cashing in on what Marvel perfected and the quality WILL suffer. It doesn’t take a psychic to see that, just someone with a basic grasp of proper storytelling procedure.

  • Veritas0519

    This isn’t going to be the same Batman from the Nolan Trilogy, though. They’re not just chanting the actor they’re chanting the character. Snyder had gone on record as saying his films have nothing to do with the Nolan films so they’re basically rebooting Batman again without taking the time to develop his character and motivations. They each need 1 or 2 movies of their own, maybe with some common secondary characters to share, before they ever share the same film space. This movie will produce millions upon millions of dollars – but it’s not going to be very good.

  • Alexa

    God I loath this guy. He and Warner have no idea how to go about this. Hell for starters don’t be afraid of the concept of superheroes, to the point where you deviate so far from how the character should be, that they might as well be completely different characters.

  • todd

    They may be but just because Wonder Woman is an a list character doesn’t mean her and Batman’s appearance can’t work like Black Widow and Falcons did. Even though we got the Incredible Hulk before Avengers that movie is practically non canon as far as Marvel would like to be concerned and the Hulk fit in perfectly in the Avengers. I think the fact this movie was delayed a year shows WB is really making sure they get this right.

  • todd

    This may not be the Nolan Batman, but honestly Batman is Batman. Do we really need to see his origin again, his training ,first fight with the Joker, war on crime, or other moments again? Most of the important Batman lore is established in pop culture and we really don’t need 1 or 2 movies yet again to explain that before he meets Superman.

  • todd

    The Amazing Spider-Man came out 5 years after the Toby Miguire trilogy, but that didn’t hurt the movie. Man of Steel 2 is coming out 4 years after the Nolan trilogy so it shouldn’t hurt. As for Bale’s performance it wasn’t bad, but his Batman wasn’t like the comic book Batman and I’m going to guess the Affleck Batman will be more similar to the comic so people will notice the change and realize this is a different Batman. Also this may not be the best example, but in 2008 The Batman ended and a few months later Batman: The Brave and the Bold began and both were very different takes on Batman, but that didn’t hurt either show. As for establishing characters first I don’t think that matters as much as people think, especially with big names like Batman and Wonder Woman. Just look at all those Justice League OVA’s we have had over the years: New Frontier, Crisis on 2 Earth’s, Tower of Babel, Flashpoint, and War. All of those movies take place in their own universe without solo movies first and that didn’t stop them from being good.

  • Blackbelt_Jones

    Kind words from the internet?……ITS A TRAP!!!!!

  • Alex Hayden

    Damn, he sounds like an idiot here.

  • Statham

    Batman is part of the title as the film has been announced thus far. That’s the difference.

  • Superman

    These comments reveal Snyder’s misread of the character of Superman. If you’re asking yourself “who could Superman fight next?,” you’ve missed the point of the character entirely. The questions should instead be, “Who will make Superman struggle emotionally more than physically? Who will test his resolve and moral center”” Of course, Snyder and Goyer’s Hobo NotSoSuperman had no resolve or moral center, so I guess it doesn’t matter at all. I’m sure Superman vs. Batman will sell many tickets, as it’s obviously being aimed at the small-minded, WWE and UFC devouring crowd who enjoyed the empty violence and endless brawls of the first film.

  • TheGavGav

    I can’t guarantee this will be good, I also have my own doubts; that said, plenty of classic movies have established multiple main characters we’d never heard of before in single films. We don’t need to establish this new Batman, he can be established in the film itself as the plot unfolds. Plus these are two characters the public are already very familiar with, we don’t need their backstory. WE KNOW THEIR BACKSTORY. Everybody knows Batman and we’ll get a feel for this films take on the Caped Crusader as his character develops throughout the film.

    What Marvel did was genius, but the public didn’t know the characters as well as Supes, Bats or Wonder Woman. Each of those movies established a character the public wasn’t too familiar with (with the exception of The Hulk), fleshed them out and then threw them together and it was amazing. But DC/WB doesn’t need the hype to sell a Batman/Superman movie featuring Wonder Woman, once marketing is paid for it sells itself. As much as I would have loved Green Lantern (rebooted, or a redeeming sequel), Flash, Aquaman and Wonder Woman solo franchises before a Justice League. WB knows that it can sell itself off Batman and Superman alone.

    So that’s what we’re getting, it doesn’t automatically make the movie bad. That said, I’m VERY nervous about this movie, but I want it to be good. I like Wonder Woman, Batman and Supes. I want to watch a good movie with them in it. I hope it’s good. Don’t hurt me again WB!

  • TheGavGav

    I’m so worried about the DCCU’s future if they keep letting Goyer write the movies. I still have (a really small amount of) faith in this movie and I want it to be good. But please hire somebody other than Goyer to write the script next time. Give somebody else a turn, somebody who isn’t afraid to make the film a little light-hearted between the drama and action scenes. Let the characters have a real conversation for once rather than dull, plot furthering dialogue and monologues. Maybe somebody who’s familiar with the many other classic Superman villains who can pose a huge threat to him both emotionally and physically.

    I’m really looking forward to seeing Bats, Wonder Woman and Supes in this movie together (and really hoping it’s good despite so many signs pointing to bad), but I find it ridiculous that he’s claiming Bats is the next big threat after Zod. Superman has so many other great villains of his own that would be much more physically and mentally dangerous. This is just a gimmick that will end with them being best buds after they defeat Lex. Who really deserved his own film against Superman with another villain he’s in cahoots with being the big physical threat while Lex smart-guys around behind the scenes.

    That said, I’m still hoping this movies great. I’m just terrified that it won’t be.

  • guest 43

    How is batman who is only human going to fight superman who has genuine super powers , its a no brainer

  • todd

    Superman vs Batman isn’t an official title. This movie could still be called Man of Steel 2 or Trinity for all we know. Also just because Wonder Woman’s name isn’t in the title doesn’t make her any less important. Just look at Superman/Batman: Supergirl. Wonder Woman was great in that story and didn’t feel like a third wheel.

  • http://dukeleto.deviantart.com/ Dukeleto77

    read The Dark Knight Returns. Wayne has effectively unlimited funds & research capability, he’ll find out Superman’s weaknesses & get hold of some Kryptonite… he may still not win, but he’s got more of a chance than you’re assuming.

  • connor

    watch the animated movies the dark knight returns 1+2 they’re simply awesome if you don’t want to read the comic, although i think it differs a bit still good though. batman looses the fight but for a greater cause and could have killed him as its explained in the movie

  • Gregore Candalez

    Meh. They should just use the New 52 costumes. I don’t get it why movie costumes have to be different than the comics’ costumes. Movie costumes usually end up being awful.

  • Carlos Raul Trevino

    “I really believe that only after contemplating who could face [Superman] did Batman come into the picture.”-Zack Snyder. Hmm… Does no one remember the spoiler from I Am Legend (2007)? How can Zack Snyder say they barely thought of it after Man of Steel (2013)? Y’all getting your legs pulled but I seem to be the wiser that can open your eyes to this movie industry BS. Nice try though Zack, trying to take credit. http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Batman-Superman-I-Am-Legend.jpg

  • Carlos Raul Trevino

    RIGHT???

  • Sonny Crockett

    “Ugh”…….Relax…..she’ll be fine….