Why Fox’s X-Men and Fantastic Four Won’t Share a Universe

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Despite Marvel’s blockbuster success with its interconnected films and Warner Bros.’ plans for the Man of Steel sequel — featuring at least Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Cyborg — and Justice League, Fox seems determined to keep its superhero franchises in separate universes, despite the occasional rumor to the contrary. But why?

“Well, it’s complicated,” Simon Kinberg, writer/producer of X-Men: Days of Future Past and The Fantastic Four, tells Screen Crush. “Because none of the X-Men movies have acknowledged the notion of a sort of superhero team — the Fantastic Four. And the Fantastic Four acquire powers, so for them to live in a world where mutants are prevalent is kind of complicated, because you’re like, ‘Oh, you’re just a mutant.’ Like, ‘What’s so fantastic about you?’ [...] ‘So, I guess we’ll go to school now. We’ll go to Xavier’s school.’ No, it is, they live in discrete universes.”

While that explanation will undoubtedly disappoint, and annoy, those fans hoping to see a comic book-style team-up to confront a global threat like, say, Galactus, it certainly makes sense: After all, comics writers have the luxury of largely ignoring the rest of the heroes and events of the Marvel Universe — at least until it’s time for the perennial summer crossover — so why should Kinberg and director Josh Trank be expected to relaunch the Fantastic Four in the shadow of the X-Men?

X-Men: Days of Future Past opens May 23, followed by The Fantastic Four on June 19, 2015.

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  • Skintick

    Isn’t it actually because the movie rights to FF are owned by 20th Century Fox, Spiderman movie rights owned by Sony Pictures, and all the rest of the Marvel Universe movie rights are owned by Disney?

  • Jeff

    Actually a really good point.

  • bob

    no, fox also owns xmen

  • Mr November

    Real good idea, its been a awkward problem in the comics that x-men are hated, but every other superhero is looked up to as gods by the citizens of the marvel universe.

    I guess this means the the franklin Richards Easter egg in x2 is just a nod to fans.

  • Mr November

    did you read any of the article? this isn’t about having all the marvel franchises in one movie universe, its about fox who choosing to keep F4 and x-men in separate universes

  • Glenn Simpson

    I don’t know why this is a problem for the movies when it’s not a problem for the comics. People would rather see the heroes together and ignore the little issues they bring up.

  • Seth M. Sherwood

    For a writer Kinberg sure seems afraid of working out some minor story problems. If the world only knows mutants, work that into the story, that’s your job. It’s not like every X-Men film hasn’t more or less changed the continuity of the one that came before it.

  • Seth M. Sherwood

    Actually, it was the reverse. In Joss Whedon’s Astonishing run he cooked up the great idea that Xavier put the X-Men in spandex so that people would associate mutnts with superheroes.

  • Tommy Rankin

    Out of all Marvel franchises F4 is one of the biggest issues when it comes to X-Men sharing a universe with other heroes.

    X-Men and mutants in general are hated and feared because of their mutant powers that they were born with but F4 are big celebrities because they are superheroes with superpowers! At least heroes like Spidey and Hulk have been feared and hated by public like mutants but F4 have always been adored and loved! Cap has been mostly loved too but then his (not so super)powers come from being a government created super-soldier and he’s a big hero as a WWII veteran so that kind of gives him a free pass. Black Widow is also a superspy and barely superpowered and same with Daredevil having minor powers while Iron Man, Hawkeye and Punisher don’t have any superpowers. Thor on the other hand is a god and Blade and GR are supernatural and Dr. Strange is a magician. So in the end F4 are the most problematic ones out of all of them.

  • MediaSELLS

    The characters all co-exist in the same universe in the books rather seamlessly. The reason Fox can’t figure it out is because they have crappy writers and have already f’d up the timeline beyond repair and can’t seem to find a director who’s able to thread it all together like Joss Whedon does. Effortlessly.

  • Seth Wilson

    I could see a X-men/F4 crossover as being F4 is just mutants lets go back to our school, then wait a minute. Why don’t people fear and hate them, but still fear and hate us? They’re basically the same but one was human giving powers later in life and the other is thought to have been born with powers, but are treated differently.

  • Travis

    The X-Men in general have never played well with the rest of the Marvel Universe. They’re always better off doing their own thing.

  • Dwayne Takeda

    Would a shared universe generate more interest? Yes. Would this increase revenue? Yes! solve the problem! It’s all made up by writers anyway.

  • areacode212

    Totally agree. The X-Men inherently work better in their own universe, both in and out of comics.

  • John Alertas

    Excuses, excuses and then some more excuses. Let’s be honest, they do not know if the FF movie will be succesful, so they do not want to risk mixing the two movie-universes.

  • jrau18

    This is absurd. The reason they don’t hate and fear the Fantastic Four is because they don’t hide. They aren’t at risk of causing mass casualties, unintentionally. They’re public civil servants that the public can trust. Transparency. Not a paramilitary compound in the middle of nowhere. Not a group of terrorists killing innocent people. They were astronauts! They had an accident and didn’t run or hide from it.

  • Lyle

    I always thought Mark Waid gave a brilliant excuse to why the FF aren’t feared by the public: Because Mister Fantastic is a genius at public relations, and feels these people whom he cursed with their abilities deserve to be lauded as heroes. Although Professor X could be considered a genius at getting people together in a common goal, he his no public relations genius and really hopes that people seeing the X-Men doing heroic things will be enough.

  • Ian Thal

    That explanation was taken from Grant Morrison’s X-Men run.

  • Andrew M. Beal

    Dr Strange is a Sorcerer not a magician.

  • Timothy

    The reason why the Fantastic Four are loved is because of image, they have no secret identities and they are a family, which was all part of Reed Richards plan to make them Rock Stars because he felt bad for being responsible for the accident that turned them into super beings.

  • Seth M. Sherwood

    Right– thanks. Joss just reiterated it when he put them back in the tights.

  • Victor Acosta

    This bring up one of those age old questions Marvel has never been able to fully explain in their own comic book universe:
    How come mutants are feared and hated while all the other superheroes get a free pass and are even adored by the public?!?
    You never see a lynch mob going after the Avengers or the FF every other day, and these teams have been responsible, directly or indirectly, for copious amounts of destruction in the Marvel Universe!
    Yet for some reason, it’s only the mutants who get shafted!

  • Tophman

    The idea is that super humans (or super powered non-mutants) used to be like regular people. These people used to be ‘normal’ so they know how it feels and are still considered ‘homo sapiens’.

    Now here comes a new species, the mutants (called ‘homo superior’ by some), who threaten their existence (and the status quo). These people are born with their abilities and are deemed ‘different’.

    This, in my understanding, is at the core of the mutant bigotry in the Marvel comic universe. Bigots will always pick the thing that makes a group of people different and vilify them to create an uproar.

  • shaggyme6968

    There is no money for teamups and screw it twice as fast lol

  • Blank Gen

    I agree with you to a point. As much as I’d liked to, let’s not forget the Civil War. Tony gettng spat on while on live televison. Johnny being sent to a hospital after someone cracked a bottle over his head even though he had absolutely nothing to do with Stamford, etc. And that was just the beginning. That was just the initial tiny, little ripples. We all know what came next. Also remember how the public came to distrust the FF as a result to their businness in Latveria. Thing couldn’t so much as buy a friggin hot dog due to the resentment for pete’s sake. Granted, FF did eventually regain their trust.

    Just about every superhero/superhero team that has ever existed in the history of comics has (unintentionally) been responsible for ridiculous amounts of destruction, ruining the lives of innocent people in someway shape or form, and occasionally creating their own villain. In regards to the X-men, that Marcus Glove guy from X-men Legacy provides a very nice list.

    We should also not keep ol’ Spidey out of the equation. Let’s see: Being feared and hated by the public for little to no apparent reason, no matter how many times he’s saved the city/world/universe. Check. Being the victim of a lynch mob. Check. Anytime things begin to go his way, along comes something comes that undercuts everything he’s worked towards and sends him back to square one. Check. Continuing his crimefighting effort in spite of all this crap. Check. Perhaps this has something to do with why Spider-man and X-men have always been my favorite comics. FF’s not too bad though.

  • Tommy Rankin

    Sorcerer uses magic? So they are a magician? Call it whatever you want but at the end of the day he is basically a magician.

  • Tommy Rankin

    But they are loved by everyone, from the very beginning and they never have any trouble with any humans. Maybe Thing in the beginning because of his looks but that’s mostly forgotten too I get that you could use “no secret identity” as an excuse but they should still have some people hating them for simply being superpowered since mutants are as well. Nobody ever says in MU that they hate mutants because of their secret identities, they hate and fear them because of their superpowers and heck, most mutants don’t even have secret identities, they live normal lives and are still hated and feared.
    That’s why superpowered humans like FF, Spider-women, Frankie Raye Nova, Monica Rambeau etc. shouldn’t live in the same universe as mutants. Others I mentioned are acceptable for the reasons I stated. “No secret identity” -excuse can only go so far.

  • Tommy Rankin

    But they are loved by everyone, from the very beginning and they never have any trouble with any humans. Maybe Thing in the beginning because of his looks but that’s mostly forgotten too I get that you could use “no secret identity” as an excuse but they should still have some people hating them for simply being superpowered since mutants are as well. Nobody ever says in MU that they hate mutants because of their secret identities, they hate and fear them because of their superpowers and heck, most mutants don’t even have secret identities, they live normal lives and are still hated and feared.
    That’s why superpowered humans like FF, Spider-women, Frankie Raye Nova, Monica Rambeau etc. shouldn’t live in the same universe as mutants. Others I mentioned are acceptable for the reasons I stated. “No secret identity” -excuse can only go so far.

  • Conroy

    To be honest. No, Bryan Singer and Fox are just being, to put bluntly, f*cking lazy.

    There is no reason why this wouldn’t work. In fact, why not just have the Fantastic Four occur AFTER the events in X-Men: DOFP!!!

    Boom, problem solved.

    And then there are people agreeing with the notion of “what makes you so fantastic?”
    What about the fact they’re celebrities? Or the fact they weren’t born with these powers.

    In fact, this gives MAJOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR X-MEN AND FANTASTIC FOUR CROSSOVERS.

    Make the X-Men abused and hated people in the world and then suddenly the Fantastic Four comes in, are mutated in space, yet are beloved celebrities AND considered heroes.

    BOOM!
    INSTANT CONFLICT AND A REASON FOR WHY MUTANTS WOULD HATE THEM.

    Idiots.

  • Sceptical

    Can they mix then? I mean the franchises are separate, they were acquired at different times, the first two films were owned by and produced by Constantin Film AG and only distributed by Fox.

    If it could be done then why not fantastic four vs planet of the apes? Or Aliens Vs Predator Vs Xmen, or have the large Blue aliens from Avatar show up.

    What I mean is, can Fox just mix rights it owns together without permission from the people they are renting the rights from? Sure they are both Marvel properties, but that’s only really true at marvel, at Fox they are different contracts, different entities.

    I honestly don’t know, but if they can mix things together, let’s please see wolverine Vs Aliens Vs Predator it would be epic.

  • Mr November

    you’d have to read the terms of the contract. its unlikely, but not impossible.

    I can imagine Wolverine vs predator would be pretty rubbish. It would be like an extended scene from Predators. Remember they had a ninja guy fight the predator with a sword oh boy that was cliché