Harmony Gold Asks Fans to Enroll in ‘Robotech Academy’

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Fans of the 1980s anime Robotech can help bring a new generation of mechas to the small screen through a new Kickstarter that launched yesterday.

Announced by producers Harmony Gold at the Anime Expo in Los Angeles, Robotech Academy is based on an idea by Carl Macek, producer and story editor for the original Robotech, who passed away in 2010. The new animated series would follow several new cadets in their adventures around the Robotech universe.

“We’re thrilled to finally be able to tell the world about Robotech Academy,” Tommy Yune, president of animation for Harmony Gold, said in a press release. “Over the last few years, Harmony Gold has been working hard to answer fan demand for a new Robotech project. The next step involves fans, who will be instrumental in supporting a crowdfunded Robotech project and making series creator Carl Macek’s original vision for Robotech Academy a reality.”

Harmony Gold has brought together several names familiar with Robotech to produce the pilot episode, including writer Ford Riley, who penned Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles; producer Cesar Turturro of Creavision Studios, the group behind the Robotech: Valkyrie Project fan film; and producer Tommy Yune, director of Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles.

Through the Kickstarter, Harmony Gold is seeking $500,000 to make a 24-minute pilot episode, with prizes for backers ranging from digital copies of the program to opportunities to name a character. The Kickstarter ends on Aug. 7.

The 85-episode science fiction anime adaptation Robotech hit airwaves in the United States back in 1985, and was produced by Harmony Gold in association with Tatsunoko Production Co., Ltd. The story was adapted, with edited content and revised dialogue, from three different Japanese anime series: The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross and Genesis Climber MOSPEADA. The series spawned several tie-in comics from a rage of publishers over the years, from Comico to Wildstorm, as well as video games, toys and novels. A film adaptation has been in the works at Warner Bros. for a while, with Akiva Goldsman and Tobey Maguire on board to produce and Nic Mathieu set to direct.

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  • Maus Merryjest

    I wonder which animes they will splice together to ‘produce’ this ‘new’ show.

  • Conner Garry Sennett

    Maybe they won’t.

  • akkadiannumen

    I want more Macross but I’d settle for some nice Robotech.

  • Statham

    Perhaps this is why they doing a ‘kickstarter’ to get more ‘funding’, See, I can ‘put’ words in marks ‘too’ for no ‘real’ reason.

  • Maus Merryjest

    Said he, while missing the entire point that the “Robotech” ‘franchise’ was a ripoff of three different animes clobbered together and re-dubbed. And that there have been *real* sequels and spin-offs…. they’re called the Macross Saga.

  • http://gquiller.tumblr.com/ gquiller

    Harmony Gold has prevented many new Macross series from coming state-side because of their legal contract back in the day. I wish they would at the very least try to collaborate with some of these fine releases – see Macross Frontier!

  • Daye

    Where is the kickstarter to get the Macrosss sage away from the hacks at Harmony Gold. Best thing to happen to happen to the franchise was the death of Carl Macek, so I wont be supporting the life work of this madman.

  • Walt

    That’s great but how ’bout finishing up the last two Harmony Gold Robotech projects!?

    Never finished “Robotech II” and where’s the next installment of “The Shadow Chronicles”?

  • Joe

    This actually is an all-new animation project, like the Shadow Chronicles.

  • Doggett

    Harsh words there, saying the best thing to happen to something was somebody dying. Carl Macek was hired by Harmony Gold to find a way to release Macross in the US on TV at the time and the only way for that to happen on TV was via syndication which at the time you needed at least 65 episodes. Harmony Gold were releasing Macross on VHS at the time, but the best way to hit a wide audience on TV showings. He did what he was paid to do and it worked.

  • Doggett

    The Sentinels was it was back in 1988 will never be finished as it has been retconned out of existance. Robotech: Academy however is set in The Sentinels part of the franchise, so Academy will be the closest we’ll get to Sentinels on screen.

    As for the Shadow Chronicles sequel, Harmony Gold are still working on it. They postponed it due to work on the live action movie but since that hasn’t gone anywhere, they started work again on Shadow Rising.

  • Doggett

    Ripoff would mean that they didn’t obtain the license to those 3 shows and instead decided to create their own show while taking ideas, designs and so on from those shows, like that Chinese animated series “Astro Plan” did.
    As such, Robotech isn’t a “ripoff” as they did obtain the license to those shows.

  • Eliezer Ortiz

    Please please make this people go away!! The only reason why no new Macross series and merchandise are being released State side!!!

  • Anthony Evans

    I dunno about this kickstarter… harmony gold has more then enough money and they keep making promises and nothing. I rather see another company take the helm. Been a long time since 1985 and we’ve barely gotten anything.

  • Anthony Evans

    Yup one reason Harmony gold needs to go. So much macross in japan we are missing. I keep hoping Harmony Gold would have gotten Macross zero and turned it into a Robotech prequel.

  • http://gquiller.tumblr.com/ gquiller

    There is so much available content that a new creation is not necessary. It has been 30 years since Robotech aired. Does anyone know the legalities of their license? How long does this contract last? Macross Plus was released, but why not other series? I feel that all Harmony Gold does is alienate the fans more and more with these veiled attempts at resuscitating the property…

  • Joe

    HG caim they own entire Macross rights to international distribution. They got the rights via Tatsunoko, but not Big West or Studio Nue…who have claim to the property as well. Macross Plus came out, but HG put out a cease and desist. At the Anime Expo panel, Macross was mentioned by a fan, and their response sounded like once everything gets ironed out between Tatsunoko, Big West, and Studio Nue, then they would happily work to distribute Macross titles. I don’t blame HG, I wouldn’t release my rights to Robotech. The license was picked up at a time when all we ever did was chop, slice, and dice an anime for western consumption…and it created a fandom.

  • http://gquiller.tumblr.com/ gquiller

    I merely wish that all parties would in good faith sit down and iron out something because there is money to be had. They hard part is divvying up the pie…

    Ps-Good Discussion

  • http://gquiller.tumblr.com/ gquiller

    Calm down and get a grip. Death of someone is the response of a troll. I agree with Doggett. Even though I wish HG didn’t have anymore say, we must remember it was a different time back then and without ‘Starblazers and Robotech’, we wouldn’t have the anime industry we have today (good, bad or indifferent).

  • Doggett

    Since the original series there was the movie (which saw limited release), The Sentinels footage was assembled and made into an OVA after the project failed, at least over 300 comics published, 21 novels, then there was the ‘Shadow Chronicles’, we’ve gotten ‘Love Live Alive’ recently, there’s ‘Shadow Rising’ to come and there’s also ‘Academy’ now. That’s a fair solid amount of material that has been created since 1985. There aren’t that many fondly remembered 80s franchises that have had that much material produced beyond Transformers, G.I. JOE, Masters of the Universe and perhaps a couple of others.

    Now if you mean in terms of animation. The yeah there hasn’t been much. Harmony Gold isn’t a huge production company. They really can’t afford to take the risks that other studios can. There was hardly anything at risk when they created the Robotech dub, the most expensive part of it was the license fee to the 3 animes and that was it. When ‘The Sentinels’ came about they took a gamble with it since Sentinels was an entirely new production which was going to be funded with the profits HG would make from Robotech: The Movie and co-funded by Matchbox Toys. When the movie was shelved by CannonFilms and Matchbox pulled out after the Robotech toyline didn’t sell as well as they hoped, there was no way Harmony Gold could afford to produce a 65 episode series themselves. Rather then let the footage go to waste, they used what they could to make the OVA and get some of their money back. At that point any future Robotech animation was unlikely.

    Cut to the early 2000s with the release of the Robotech DVDs that are selling well and bringing the franchise back, Harmony Gold took the gamble of producing ‘The Shadow Chronicles’ but again, it was a gamble. The project got pushed back here and there while they got the funds to complete it, but it was the first animated Robotech project in some 20 years that was released.

    The sequel ‘Shadow Risings’ is still on the cards, but again, it’s all down to budget, but it didn’t help when Warner Bros. announced a live action Robotech movie. Harmony Gold postponed ‘Shadow Risings’, supposedly at the request of Warner Bros. Work on that live action movie however is down to Warner and not Harmony Gold.

    Harmony Gold have said that ‘Shadow Risings’ is to come now that ‘Love Live Alive’ was completed, which they wanted to complete first since it was a project Carl Macek wanted to do before he passed.

    Harmony Gold obviously want to continue the Robotech franchise, but they do not have the money you think they do.

  • nader

    Are you kidding me? This guy Doggett sounds like he works for HG. This has been going on for so many years that the only good thing to come out of it is all the money Harmony Gold has lost. They should have just put their bastard child Robotech out of it’s misery and allowed the unbelievable amount macross stuff to be released stateside. I am not going to list it all and try to make it sound like more than it is, Doggett. But, of the top of my head, Macross 7, Macross 0, Macross Frontier. I guess the only other good thing to come from HG blockade of Macross anime is free from thinking about stateside potential they made Macross Frontier one of the finest modern animes and loaded it with so much licensed music it could never get localized anyway. On the Carl Macek note I believe what Daye meant to say is it was the nail in the coffin so to speak if their creative director or whatever is dead. Not suprising isn’t the owner of Harmony Gold the world record holder of death threats by now? These guys should be real proud they made a good living depriving us all of some of the greatest anime ever made.

  • GC001

    You’re really clueless to say something is a ‘rip-off.’
    This is something that I dislike about hipster otaku — you guys are clueless about history and the reality of licensing TV series.
    Robotech was a product of a time when doing literal translations of foreign series wasn’t going to fly. There was also a requirement for having at least 65 episodes of a series to do daily syndication.
    Furthermore, the way you wrote your response you have no clue that ‘The Macross Saga’ is NOT the entire program but just the first 36 episodes (out of 85 total for Robotech THE series) which ARE the localized adaptation of SDF Macross!
    NOTHING was clobbered together here… The shows are shown in sequence in original order with very little actual editing and ‘mish-mashing’ of footage between series. I have watched the original Japanese series and I can assure there was VERY LITTLE cut from them! Furthermore, they were put together in a very good LOGICAL order where the overarching subplot of wars over an energy source actually makes sense!

  • GC001

    A lot of Internet B.S still lives on I see…. HG is NOT the party preventing more Macross from being shown in the US! That’s on BIG WEST’s, the Macross IP owner’s doorstep! The original disagreement came between Big West and Tatsunoko. When SDF Macross was originally being produced, the production company came up short on money and partnered up with Tatsunoko. In exchange for providing money and production services to help make SDF Macross, there was a note signed that gave Tatsunoko the international distribution rights to SDF Macross. Nobody thought much of this at the time since anime wasn’t the international phenomenon that it became later… this before SDF Macross became a hit in Japan, well before the Robotech concept was born. AFTER Robotech hit big, that’s where a lot of the problems came in since Big West saw that they lost out on the big international licensing money.
    The lawsuit as it was eventually settled in Japan made the ORIGINAL Macross character and vehicle designs copyright of Big West… However, the Japanese court still ruled that Tatsunoko would keep the international distribution rights to the first Macross TV series per the piece of paper that was signed back in the early 1980s.
    Tatsunoko is NOT run by dummies so, of course, they continue to support the Robotech project so long as somebody wants to license the footage they own/have rights to which includes the programs that make up Robotech. IF they had done as the most rabid, clueless otaku fanboys wanted, I doubt uncut versions of Macross, Mospeada, and Southern Cross would have made it to the US along with continual TV re-releases and rebroadcasts of Robotech.
    As it is, the original Macross, Macross 2, AND Macross Plus were distributed internationally AND in the US. M2 was a flop… The original M2 OVA series has NEVER been available uncut in Japanese in the West nor has the original 6-part version been re-released in the West since the VHS era, period. Only the edited movie has been available on DVD in the US. M2′s pretty much disavowed in Japan, too, and NOT considered part of the official Macross continuity. Despite the ADV Films effort to dub the original Macross faithfully a few years back, that too was a flop.
    The 1984 Macross movie WAS licensed by another American company — NOT HG — in the late 1980s but that license lapsed in the mid-/late-1990s.
    There have been attempts to license the original Macross movie but they
    have shot down from the Japanese end despite good faith efforts.
    I’ve seen most of the Macross series. Like Gundam, the programs are a mixed bag. The original series and 1984 movie are by far the best of the bunch. M2 is mediocre and M7 is such a product of mid-1990s anime weirdness that I doubt it would have been very successful out of Japan. M-Zero is ‘meh’ and detached… M-Frontier was probably the next best choice for international release after M-Plus BUT Big West blew it as far as keeping it restricted to Japan-only. Sometimes it’s worth the effort to get over bitterness and actually take licensing proposals seriously… they have not done this since the mid-1990s…

  • GC001

    Daye –
    Are you 3????
    Do you understand your mouth is connected to your brain not the other end of your body???
    HOW dare you take any joy over the death of any human being…!
    Carl did a hell of a lot to promote anime in the US AND after he co-founded his company brought a lot of good feature films into the US.
    His company marketed and brought the feature ‘Akira’ to the attention of movie-goers and the video-buying public.
    Streamline Pictures helped in marketing and distribution of the earliest Miyazaki/Studio Ghibli films to be exhibited — Kiki’s Delivery Service and My Neighbor Totoro. This is a decade before Disney entered the picture and snatched up the video rights to those films!
    It’s people like you who don’t understand the facts of life and marketing that are among the worst things that happen to anime and comics, period. You sow a lot of negativity and spread distortions and lies that just confuse and infuriate other people… You think that helps anything????
    FYI — SDF Macross WAS dubbed faithfully 10 years ago. It flopped hard!!! Much as I like Macross in general, the original English Robotech dub was cast and directed much better than the ADV Macross dub.
    There were a number of plot points that were clarified MUCH better in the Robotech adaptation than the original Macross series. They really never said WHY the aliens were after the SDF-1 in the original Japanese series NOR were the fates of some of the characters very clear at the end of the Japanese original, either.
    Robotech’s also continued to outsell ANY of the ‘more faithful’/’literalized’ anime home video releases in the US despite people like you. It’s outsold EVA, Ranma 1/2, and whatever else people think is hot now. I think the only series that have close to Robotech’s numbers on home video have been other localized shows like Voltron and Dragonball Z.
    Robotech is an entertaining and intelligent entity within itself.
    I personally LIKE both Macross and Robotech but appreciate that the latter has been more successful internationally and in the States, too.
    IF the shows are NOT successful in sales, you don’t get future series let alone re-releases of past series.

  • GC001

    You are utterly clueless about the reality of the situation… The blame lies in Japan and the legendary inability of some producers and moneymen to let go of bitter feelings.
    There have been other Macross series released in the US by other companies… Fact is, NONE of these releases let alone the excellent sub-only release of the original Macross by AnimEigo, has approached the video sales of Robotech.
    Macross 2 AND Macross Plus DID make it to the US long ago… HG did NOTHING to block the releases of those series even as they re-released Robotech on VHS and laserdisc in the 1990s.
    Other companies have approached the Macross rights holders to attempt to license the Macross movie, M7, Macross Zero, and Macross Frontier. The Macross movie licensing proposal by AnimEigo WAS REJECTED because the Japanese guy in charge of the license was too proud to license the movie. He felt burned because of the circumstances of an earlier licensing by another home video company (not related to HG or any of the anime licensors in the US) and an inferior home video release of the Macross movie that used the god-awful Japanese-supervised English dub of that film. Whatever circumstances there were in that case, it had nothing to do with the gentlemen from AnimEigo who approached him. It was THAT SINGLE MAN’S pride that kept the unedited release of that film from happening.
    Macross 7 apparently isn’t gonna happen because of music licensing issues. Frankly, from what I’ve seen of it, that’s probably a good thing. It’s a silly little show that in the larger scheme of things isn’t that good and mainly appeals to small children.
    Macross Zero had promise but ultimately fell flat and is unimportant in the larger Macross story arc. M-Frontier, aside from Macross Plus, is the best choice for licensing but it’s that damnable pride from a few Japanese producers and moneymen that’s keeping the show locked up in Japan.

  • GC001

    You really don’t understand the story behind the licensing of the original Macross series NOR how marketing in the US works, period…
    It is the Japanese, PERIOD, who have kept this stuff locked up in Japan.
    The lawsuit was between Tatsunoko and Big West, NOT Japan and HG! Get your facts straight!
    FYI, music licensing is an important consideration, too… That’s a good part of WHY many TV shows get released on home video with different music tracks. The music companies want too much licensing money for the part of the audio tracks that they own!
    HG also DIDN’T block the releases of M2 or M-Plus in the US by other companies, either.

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  • nader

    Wow another HG employee! Or a fan? (The way you talk you’d think their lawyer) Either way, you should be more polite and definitely get your facts straight if you want to talk with caps on and spelling out periods at the end of your statements. Check out this: http://kotaku.com/5990702/why-you-havent-seen-any-new-macross-in-the-west-for-nearly-15-years

  • Doggett

    Cute. No I do not work for Harmony Gold. Before you then whip out the “Must be a fanboy then” line. Not really. I like Robotech, I’m interested in the behind the scenes aspect of it, what led to it’s creation and so on. I do not like everything that has been produced of Robotech. A large chunk of the comics were terrible and Shadow Chronicles wasn’t anything special. The Movie was an interesting footnote but ruined by studio meddling and The Sentinels was an interesting concept destroyed by lack of funds. When it comes to Harmony Gold themselves, I’m not a fan, but I certainly wouldn’t say no to a chance to go to their HQ if it meant I got the chance to see something interesting, like the HG dub of Dragonball.

    What I have come to realise though is a lot of people who tend to rip on Robotech or HG always bring up Macross and how HG ruined it and has stopped other entires in the Macross franchise from being released outside of Japan. First of all, when they bring up Macross, I never hear them complain about HG ruining Southern Cross or Mospeada, or if you really want to dig deep, Megazone 23 Part I. They always bring up Macross as if that is the only element that matters. So the other shows don’t count because they aren’t Macross?

    As for HG’s stranglehold on the rest of the Macross franchise? Well one article written by some guy on the internet isn’t exactly solid proof. Don’t get me wrong, it was an interesting read, but I wouldn’t count it as proof. Now yeah, HG has stopped the sale of Macross merch in America because they have a right to. It’s been over 10 years now since this situation came to light and while the legal troubles Big West and Tatsunoko have been settled in Japan, Big West hasn’t bothered going after Harmony Gold yet. Why not? Why hasn’t Big West decided to go after the company which is claiming copyright to their property so they can get the rest of the Macross franchise out there? Maybe because they can’t, or maybe because they don’t want to? Who knows? I don’t know? Do you? And if you “do”, I mean do you actually have solid proof to back up said claim?

    Don’t get me wrong, it is a shame that most of the Macross franchise hasn’t seen the light of day outside of Japan legally. But I’ve seen them and for the most part, I didn’t really care for them. It’s been a bag of hit and miss. Just because it’s a Macross project doesn’t mean it’s an automatic classic. And besides, Macross hasn’t been the only anime franchise that had trouble with getting releases outside of Japan. How long did it take for the original Dirty Pair TV series to finally see an official release on DVD? 25 years, despite the fact that all the other animated Dirty Pair projects got released long before this happened. I’m still waiting for official releases of ‘Transformers: Scramble City’ and ‘Transformers: Zone’ but legal problems keep preventing that.

    Is it shitty that besides Macross:DYRL, Macross II and Macross Plus (both the OVAs and the movie) have been the only entries to be released outside of Japan? Yes, it is, but not all of it can be blamed solely on Harmony Gold. But tell me this, would you rather some Macross released, or nothing at all?

  • Convoy

    According to the Kotaku article Nader linked to, it looks like Harmony Gold also has some fault as well. After Macross Plus in 1999, there hasn’t been any Macross anything outside of Japan. There has been more Robotech products out though. Like the article says, HG is flexing their muscle with the original international license they purchased from Tatsunoko, which Tatsunoko only had the distribution rights to the original SDF Macross, which hasn’t been challenged in US courts at all. Studio Nue and Big West hold the rights to all things Macross, and went to court in Japan over them, but for whatever reason don’t want to go to court in the US over those rights. So HG is left uncontested as the big dog in the yard outside of Japan.

  • http://gquiller.tumblr.com/ gquiller

    Thanks for the insight…

  • Eliezer Ortiz

    I can see you’re telling everybody how “clueless” they are, but you seem to be the one who’s clueless. Fact is HG has officially stated that they own the rights to the Macross franchise outside Japan. Even when European distributors have tried to release Macross related merchandise or series, they have been threatened by a lawsuit by HG. They even sued anybody that sold Macross Plus related merchandise!

    BTW I do know that Macross Plus and Macross II were released in the US. That’s when all this legal crap started! Funny how Macross Plus has never been released on Blu Ray. That’s because HG will sue whoever does it. So this goes farther than just a Japanese “guy” being greedy. Kotaku actually released a very through article on the subject. Go look it up.

  • Maus Merryjest

    Really? So The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, Cavalry Southern Cross and MOSPEADA were not three different universes and stories that were cobbled together and altered to create one supposedly whole continuity of three parts? The two Super Dimension shows were created as part of a eponymous series, but were meant to be completely unrelated to each other, and MOSPEADA has nothing to do with them either.

    So, yes, they were cobbled together.

  • nader

    All I can say is, thank god for fansubs. I actually am a fan of all 3 of the animes that are Robotech and had no idea they butchered Megazone 23 too, another classic. I would actually rather not see Macross in US if it means HG gets a cut. Luckily, my opinion is not the end all, it’s too bad Harmony Gold’s is. In the end there is a difference between law and justice. You can cite the law or their rights all you want. But, if people hate on a kids cartoon there is a reason. Whether or not the creators of Robotech had any idea what they were doing at the time, doesn’t even matter. It’s just a matter of time. Warner will never make the live action movie and if they did it would suck. Best thing HG can hope for is to sell the whole kit and kaboodle. I mean it’s only blind luck that allowed them to go this far. The Japanese will never make that mistake again. So, good luck with that kickstarter enjoy your one episode of Robotech Academy, if it even get’s made. I’ll stick with the real thing or nothing at all.

  • Kenny Bridges

    Just FYI, Super Dimension Century ORGUSS. An anime that was adapted into the second part of Robotech is now licensed by Discotek. So unlike Macross in its current state, SDCO is able to be released internationally since HG has no power over it anymore. Which makes sense as to why nobody is complaining about SDCO. As for Mospeada, IDK but it may have a chance to get licenced by another company.

  • Kenny Bridges

    gquiller, I think you should understand the reality behind all this by reading this: http://kotaku.com/5990702/why-you-havent-seen-any-new-macross-in-the-west-for-nearly-15-years

  • Kenny Bridges

    Mah Boi, you are not wrong with the fact Tatsunoko has international distribution rights for SDF Macross and are the owners of the animation footage of SDF Macross. However you’re ignorant on the rest of the story. You see Japanese companies that are selling Macross merchandise and anime internationally were threatened to be sued by HG and received a cease and desist letter from (HG) stating that they have the rights to the entire Macross franchise. Anime, manga, merchandise you name it, anything to do with Macross from SDF to today belongs to (HG).

    This means that Macross is an IP created and owned by (HG) which we all know is BS. Oh and yes, there is a lawsuit between Studio Nue, Big West and Tatsunoko and Tatsunoko won: Studio Nue and Big West co-own the characters, story, etc., and resulting franchise, while Tatsunoko owns the original footage and international licensing rights for the anime and merchandise of The Super Dimension Fortress Macross but not the rest of the franchise. Meaning that Tatsunoko was responsible for creating the animation of Macross but is not responsible for the creation of the entire series and its franchise at all. That’s Studio Nue and Big West credit.

    And that means that Harmony Gold owns the rights for the anime and merchandise of SDF Macross but nothing from the franchise after that (Macross Plus, Macross Zero etc.). Yet we still don’t see any Macross releases after SDF outside Japan because HG is delusional and believes that Macross is an IP created by them and will continue to make cease and desist letters to companies who are trying to either distribute any Macross series internationally or sells Macross merchandise. Hell, even the Robotech fanmade series was cancelled because HG was threatening them with a cease and desist letter of the same reason. So really, its not Big West fault for keeping Macross japan-only (if that really happened, send me a link of it because I am curious), its HG fault for continuously suing companies over something that they don’t own.

    To make things look even more idiotic, HG have sued Hasbro once on a G.I.Joe/Transformer Toy set with Jetfire/Skyfire in his vehicle mode. Little bit of history, The original G1 toy for Jetfire/Skyfire is a repaint and retooled of the Takatoku Toys Macross VF-1S Super Valkyrie. This design is still used predominately up to today as the basis for Jetfire/Skyfire alt mode. I’m not gonna dig too much into the history of the toy so you check this link to see it for youself: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Jetfire_(G1)

    Now, HG sued Hasbro because apparently the design of Jetfire/Skyfire from the G.I.Joe/Transformers set were their own and that Hasbro were stealing from HG without their permission. Thing is, with history as proof, the design of the VF-1 isn’t theirs at all. Shoji Kawamori is responsible for the one who design all subsequent VF and YF designs that have appeared in Macross up to today. He doesn’t work with HG nor has he ever been responsible for Robotech at all. HG has no valid evidence that the VF-1 design is theirs, it’s complete lies. If anything, Kawamori should’ve sued (HG) for stating that his designs were theirs. (if that’s possible to sue them in a situation like that that is…)

    Btw, Yes, Macross, II (ADV IIRC) and Plus (Manga Entertainment) were distributed internationally. However even if HG allowed ADV to do an English dub of Macross it was unfortunately short lived as HG did not make any attempt to get the word out. As a result ADV gone bankrupt and the only way to get those copies were to get them used on eBay. Even if they were available, there was no promotion at all. As for Plus, IDK but you can check Macross Plus on Manga Entertainment’s channel on Youtube assuming it wasn’t taken down by copyright issues that is…

  • nader

    Oh yeah, that’s right! That was the other one of the Super Dimensional Trilogy. The one with the big alien thing and a predominantly female crew? Admittedly, I only watched the first few episodes as opposed to the others.Thanks for reminding me , I need to go back and watch that one. And you’re sure it was shoehorned into Robotech, huh? I’ll have to take your word for it. You see what people fail to realize is that because Macross was the only one to receive further itinerations it is the only one that really matters in this case. Furthermore, from my proudly limited knowledge of Robotech the Valkyrie, Destroids, (of course) the Macross itself, and to a much lesser degree the Mospeada are the best and probably the most predominantly featured mechanical designs. I loved Southern Cross but for the life of me I can’t remember the vehicles, what were they non-transformable jets? You see what really makes this so upsetting is that for the 30th Anniversary of Macross I have been struggling to play Macross 30 with little to no understanding of the Japanese language. Shout out to The Red Shoulders Translation and of course Sony for region-free. I have pretty much given up on ever seeing Macross 7 or Macross Frontier outside of fan translations. But, we as Macross fans got nothing for this milestone. There is no reason we can’t get a localized version of Macross 0 at least. The irony is this is kinda what I want for Macross a focus on the future of the SDF. I mean don’t get me wrong I loved Frontier and it was a great celebration for the 25th. But, imagine finally returning to the roots, Hikaru, Minmay, Misa. I always wanted to pick up right where they left off with the launching of the SDF-2 Megaroad in Flash Back 2012. I mean according to series chronology the ship disappeared, but in my heart and mind they’re out there somewhere. Their story still waiting to be told…

  • Vansen

    I think you are a little mistaken. I don’t think HG is flat out claiming to own everything Macross. From what I’ve gathered, they discovered that there was no copyright to the word “Macross” and so claimed it for themselves. That is pretty sneaky, but then again, surely Big West is at fault for not making sure they had the proper copyright to their property. All that means that if somebody wants to release any of the Macross shows outside of Japan, they need to pay HG for the rights to use the word. HG know full well they don’t own the rights to the animation and so on, but the word? Yeah they got that.

    Secondly, Harmony Gold attempted to sue Hasbro because of the artwork of the Jetfire filecard included in the SDCC 2013 boxset. The filecard shows the Valkyrie design from SDF-Macross, which HG can claim because they have the worldwide rights to merch based off of SDF-Macross outside of Japan. While the artwork was created for the Transformers line for Hasbro, the design itself still infringes, this explains why Jetfire’s design in the comics and the show were different to that of the toy and that every Jetfire that is a homage to the G1 self has always been redesigned.

    And the original Macross series was released on DVD stateside twice by two seperate companies. If those releases failed, it’s not because Harmony Gold didn’t “get the word out” because it wasn’t HG’s responsibility to promote the release, it was the companies releasing them, in this case, Animego and ADV.

    And ADV never put Macross II out. Macross II was originally released by U.S. Renditions and was then picked up by Manga Entertainment.

  • Doggett

    ‘Super Dimension Century ORGUSS’ was never adapted into any part of Robotech at all. You’re thinking of the 3rd Super Dimension show ‘Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross’ which HG still has the rights to worldwide outside of Japan, like they do with Genesis Climber MOSPEADA.

  • Kenny Bridges

    I’m going to start talking about the issue with Jetfire first. No shit Sherlock, the Jetfire toy never looked like his animated counterpart all due to an intense rivalry between Takara (Hasbro’s buddy at Japan) and Takatoku Toys (the one with the VF-1 mold for G1 Jetfire) so Hasbro had to change Jetfire’s look in the show and comics (though the European comics still kept his VF-1 look) in order to stay BFF with Takara. The artwork of Jetfire for the SDCC 2013 is similar to the VF-1 but not the same. If anything, it looks more like an F-14 tomcat, which the VF-1 design was based on. Either way, the case is dismissed with prejudice meaning that HG cannot sue Hasbro relating to Jetfire and his designs anymore.

    HG owns the name Macross? *laughs then falls off chair* you must be high Mah Boi. Please send me a link or anything that states this. And please give me the answer as to how Macross releases in Japan are called Macross if HG really did *own* the word ‘Macross’. I doubt Studio Nue, Big West and Satelight (current animation studio for recent Macross titles and other projects) would have to go through the process with HG to use the word ‘Macross’. That would mean recent titles can’t be called Macross anymore, they would have to use another name (which is obviously not what we are seeing right now). Also if they had the rights to the name Macross then that means the original Robotech wouldn’t be called Robotech, it would be called Macross.
    ADV is a subsidiary of Harmony Gold, the least that (HG) could’ve done was to get the word out. Uh huh.

  • Kenny Bridges

    I don’t remember ORGUSS being in Robotech, I believe that was Southern Cross that was placed in the second pare of Robotech, not Orguss.

  • nader

    I didn’t think so… But, to be honest I wouldn’t know. Well, that explains it’s release.

  • http://gquiller.tumblr.com/ gquiller

    Thanks Kenny!

  • Vansen

    Nice little jab with the “No shit Sherlock” comment there, very original
    and nice to see you being as respectful as I was in my first post to
    you. And sounding a little smug there, but then I’m not the dipshit would couldn’t even be arsed to look up who released Macross II, am I? And as for your “ADV is a subsidiary of Harmony Gold”, first off all, ADV is long gone, so wouldn’t that be “ADV was a subsidiary of Harmony Gold”? And secondly, ADV was never a subsidiary of Harmony Gold’s. All they did was partner up to release Robotech on DVD.

    I clearly mentioned that the filecard, or techspec was most likely the item at fault as it shows an image of Jetfire in robot mode which is the same artwork from 1985 and as such, is very much so the Valkyrie.

    And I didn’t say that Harmony Gold owns Macross, I said they claimed the word “Macross” which probably means they have the rights to the word outside of Japan. Most likely in the US and a couple of other countries. But you said you want a link to prove this? Well here you go: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=36541 Now this may not be solid proof, but I don’t count that Kotaku article as proof either, but at least this one seems to have some research to it. But from the looks of this, they got the trademark to the “Macross” word in some countries, but couldn’t in Japan. And if HG do have the trademark to the word “Macross” in certain parts of the world, it gives them legal rights to do whatever they want to stop merch being imported or the release of the show. Very shitty but that’s life.

    So yeah, before you go ahead and pull the “got any proof to back that shit up?” routine, maybe you should you do the same, because claiming that ADV was a subsidiary to HG is total bullshit. Because IF HG owned ADV, then why didn’t ADV release Robotech in the UK or Australia? Or why didn’t ADV release The Shadow Chronicles while the company was still operational?

  • Kenny Bridges

    *rolls eyes* I have no respect for you so don’t expect something nice from me. We’re just gonna have to leave the situation about ADV and what to a side since its not an important topic anymore. (with ADV bankrupt a long time ago and what not)
    Uh huh.
    Buddy, you need your eyes checked because that is exactly what I’ve fucking said. I clearly stated that you said HG owned the name ‘Macross’. And seriously? You use a forum to gather information? Deciding whether an article may be saying the truth or lying is one thing but to believe a forum is like hearing a rumour and using as a fact. You say the person in the forum has researched. How do you know? This is the internet, everything should be taken with a grain of salt, even with the one’s you’re talking to right now. But I guess that doesn’t matter, so believe what you think is true because I’m in no position to change it. Its a waste of time since we’re in the internet anyways.
    Getting a bit too cocky there kid, we are neither right or wrong, we see things in a different perspective. You may be either right or wrong with the information you’ve gathered and I’m in the same boat. Who knows? This is the internet after all. There are a few people (if you look down on the comment section) who believes my argument is true and others who believes yours is. So I feel like dropping this discussion because I’d rather waste my time on something else than to argue with strangers over something that may or may not be resolved over time.

  • percane

    and battle of the planets! man i miss old anime

  • Jmacq1

    Current Harmony Gold is worthless, but the hate that’s directed at Carl Macek is wholly unwarranted. Anime in the US might never have achieved the popularity it has without his early efforts, and while there were changes made and sometimes the translations were more than a little dodgy, Macek did seem to be genuinely enthusiastic about anime.

    Robotech was a product of its’ time, and the cobbled-together nature of it was due to the need for a minimum number of episodes for syndication. Yes, it was a commercial decision, but without that commercial decision being made, many of the same people in the US who profess themselves to be Macross fans might never have been exposed to it in the first place.

  • nader

    What about Astro Boy, Gigantor and Speed Racer? You really think we wouldn’t have anime without Battle of the Planets, Robotech, Starblazers, Thundercats, Transformers or Voltron?

  • Jmacq1

    You really need to look up the definition of the word “might.”

    Further, Astro Boy, Gigantor, and Speed Racer may have come before Robotech (as did Star Blazers and Battle of the Planets), but whether folks want to admit it or not, Robotech was a huge stride forward in making anime more mainstream in the US (because it, and Voltron, were much more popular than the efforts that had come before).

    All I’m saying is that it’s OK to acknowledge and respect the place Robotech had in pushing anime forward in the US while still disliking Harmony Gold as a company. The two are not the same thing. Though I will freely admit, I’m someone that likes BOTH Robotech and Macross.

  • nader

    Obviously you are. As I am obviously a fan of only Macross. Those are our opinions. The fact is Macross 7, 0, Frontier and anything Macross have been blocked by HG. I’ve already mentioned that the reality is they probably wouldn’t have been released. This has mostly affected the cost of sales and purchases of Yamato grade Valkyries. Harmony Gold has done more harm than good to not only but most all themselves.

  • Doggett

    Thundercats and Transformers don’t count as anime. They were American productions which were outsourced to overseas animation studios, which happened very often. The first actual Transformers anime didn’t arrive until 1986 in the form of an OVA titled Scramble City, a full two years after the American show started broadcasting.

  • nader

    Techically you’re right, especially in the case of Thundercats created b Ted Tobin, although I tend to think of anything that broadcast in Japan as well as the US anime. It wasn’t produced exclusively for the domestic market as most animated series are. Now, Transformers is a little more complicated. As you may already know, the name Transformers is an American toy brand owned by Hasbro conceived of from Takaras previously existing toys lines. It was a co-production. Between Hasbro and Takara.

  • stuNzeeDkiL

    I grew up watching Robotech. It started my whole anime craze. Robotech, Battle of the Planets, Tran Zor Z. Voltron. Many of us here remember these. Salzer’s video in Oxnard had the largest selection of anime in the 8th grade. Devil Hunter Yohko. Vampire Hunter D. Vampire Princess Miyu….and on, and on… Robotech will always have a special place in my heart, and in turn Carl Macek will as well. Robotech, along with a select few shows opened the doors for anime into the U.S., and for that, I’ll always be thankful.

    That being said, I do wish they could get this whole thing sorted out, because I’ve grown fond of the Macross franchise even more. I used to draw Valkyries (ahem…Veritechs) when I was supposed to be doing my classwork. I was envious of the kid in the front of the bus who had the die-cast Valkyrie. I bugged my mom for Robotech coloring books. I bought the Robotech role playing game, when I couldn’t even get my friends interested in playing it! I searched everywhere for a copy of “Robotech Art 1″ when I saw it at Waldenbooks and couldn’t afford it(I was like 9). When one of my friends got Jetfire, I was astounded at his stupidity because he didn’t know it was actually a “Veritech.” I went bat-shit-crazy the first time I saw DYRL. Ahh, the memories. But alas, if even only for a brief time, life intercedes, and we grow up.

    I had no idea they were making so much more cool Macross material overseas though! (Having children has a habit of making you change your preferences until such time as you are able to coerce them into having the same passions…lol) So, one day surfing You-Tube, I happened upon the Macross Pachinko Videos… I thought they were re-doing the original series, and I was ecstatic! Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the original, but there’s no question that the animation is a bit dated, and its anything but consistent.

    Anyways, as I began to do a little research, I discovered to my dismay, that these were in fact just videos from the Pachinko game. However, through my search I happened upon the various iterations of PSP games like Ace Frontier, Ultimate Frontier, and Triangle Frontier. Needless to say, we have two more PSP’s in the family, along with 3 copies of each title, AND, I even gave my old PSP to my sons’ buddy who frequently stays the night, (along with his own copy of Triangle Frontier).

    Why am I telling you all this? No idea. Just sharing some of my enjoyment with fellow fans of the series. If you haven’t tried any of these, I highly recommend you do so, IMMEDIATELY! Sure, I have Macross 30 as well, but I think Ultimate Frontier is by far, the BEST Macross game ever! Sure, Triangle is more “complete,” what with some 80-some craft to fly, and nearly every Macross series up through Itsuwari no Utahime. None are hard at all to pick up and play. Not to mention you have the option to play against 3 others, or co-op with 3 others in various boss-fights, and missions. Or, you can play the story co-op with a friend. This game is top on my wish list of HD remakes, with an option to play online multi-player. I swear, I’d never play any other game again.

    I think hope is not completely lost here in the states though. If Macross isn’t allowed to be marketed anywhere outside of Japan(please don’t crucify me for not understanding the legalities of this entire situation, because I certainly don’t claim to…), then the companies that release their products in Japan should simply start adding english subtitles as an option. Why not? So many movies published here in the states have multiple language options.

    Now, I’m not a fan “per se” of torrents, but sometimes that is the only way we can get access to certain movies. It’s the only way I would have ever got to see Macross Frontier, unless I took up Japanese. It’s the only way I got to kill time (literally) with Macross 7. I give credit where it is due though however. Recently, both Macross Plus and the Macross Frontier movies were released on Blu-Ray with english subtitles. I already own the Frontier movies, and Plus is in the mail. I’d happily continue to purchase Macross material with subtitles. And I think its a great way to kick Harmony Gold in the ass, while Macross products continue to be purchased and enjoyed the world over, while HG sits back and collects nothing but dust!

    Thanks for sticking up with my rambling up to this point…lol.

  • nader

    Yeah. The PSP games are more import friendly. We’d never get Macross games anyway. Yeah, I can’t bring myself to pay Japanese blu-ray prices. Though that’s good to know. The Frontier movies have games on the disc. Do you know if the Macross Plus has one? That would almost make up for not having the Bryan Cranston dub. And is it the Movie version?

  • stuNzeeDkiL

    To my knowledge, no… Yes, plus was bad-ass in itself, but I haven’t heard anything about a game. I own the other Hybrid packs myself, and while they look better than the PSP games or even better than Macross 30 IMO, they are pretty short… That, coupled together with the fact that the movies(s) are in Japanese, with no subtitles, makes it pretty tough to decide on buying one (unless you spoke Japanese.)
    Myself? I still pop em in time-to-time… But they’re pretty short of fantastic. Last Frontier would be the best of the Hybrid packs, as you get both Frontier movies!

  • royx

    Why keep giving money to these people? They want to go bak to the original Macek ideas after they snubbed them by declaring the original Macek timeline non-cannon? They threw at us a Shadow Chronicles that was a complete yawn and then Live Life Alive that was a complete rip-off and on the side they take advantage of the law and threat and sue whomever they see trying to distribute Macross media or merchandise outside of Japan. They don’t deserve a dime! Really, you have to be a sheep in the fandom, or should I say the ‘farmdom’? Am happy that they can’t police everywhere, that I can have a legal copy of both Super Dimensional Cavalry Southern Cross and Mospeada without the Robotech spill on them from the defunct ADV as well as all the Macross series since inception even though the translations aren’t that great in some of them for being produced in Asia. Am also grateful that I can shop in Rakuten Japan for cool toys, and that they appear on ebay from time to time as well. Hope HG dies when the jokers that control it go senile and are retired to villages, not that they haven’t been behaving similarly for a while already. Don’t give them your money!!!

  • royx

    And by the way, your money ends in the pockets of this guy. He has been investigated by the FBI, had or has ties with Berlusconi and according to his lawyers is not short on cash, so does he really need yours?

    http://articles.latimes.com/2006/nov/29/local/me-agrama29

  • nader

    That kinda sucks, but, those are like collector’s items, so it is what it is. At least Plus has subtitles. They should do that more often. I have bought some anime like Gunbuster vs. Diebuster, and they always seem to be the movie versions. Yeah, if you can please let me know when you get it, if it’s both, I may have to order it. If it had a game, it would be a definite. Macross Plus is probably my favorite after Macross and DYRL. I’d also be interested in if Macross Zero has subtitles, that would also be cool.

  • nader

    Wow! I had no idea about that. I was thinking about that, but, without some ‘proof’ these Harmony Gold defenders would have called me out for being paranoid or a hater. Even with that article some of these guys will still not believe, I’m sure. I never wish bad things on people, but, these people do not deserve this Kickstarter to succeed. I was worried when I saw the Robotech RPG succeded, but, boardgames and tabletop games do really well on Kickstarter, so that’s not really an indicator. So far, it looks like they will not at this rate.

  • stuNzeeDkiL

    If I could finger out how to zip files, I’d send ya Zero. Like I said, I don’t personally believe in torrents, but sometimes its the only way to get some material. I don’t remember if its fansubs, but if it is, it was done very well.
    If you have a PSP, I highly suggest picking up one of the Frontier games. They’re Japanese, but real easy to pick up, and you can find translation guides online. Triangle Frontier is the most complete, and comprehensive, but IMO Ultimate is the best. (They play slightly differently).