Michael B. Jordan: ‘Fantastic Four’ Reboot is ‘Not Your Typical Superhero Film’

Marvel’s First Family returns to the big screen next year with Josh Trank’s Fantastic Four reboot — but aside from the cast, we know very little about what to expect from Fox’s franchise reboot.

Michael B. Jordan, who plays the Human Torch, opened up a bit more about Trank’s approach to the Fantastic Four, promising that fans can count on something much different from previous two films.

“Josh’s vision is very clear and he knows exactly what he wants, and he gives us room to adapt and to play,” Jordan told MTV about Trank, with whom he worked on the found-footage superhero film Chronicle. “That’s what I kind of think sets us apart, is that this is going to be grounded and unconventional. It’s not your typical superhero film, you know, we aren’t looking at this as like, being superheroes. We’re more or less a bunch of kids that had an accident and we have disabilities now that we have to cope with, and try to find a life afterwards – try to be as normal as we can.”

“One of the good things about the Fantastic Four is that everybody is different,” he continued. “And it’s like, sometimes family doesn’t always consist of your relatives or by blood. Sometimes your best friends can feel more like family than your cousins. I think everybody kind of has that same feeling. When you go through an accident together, when you go through a traumatic event, sometimes that brings you closer together.”

Jordan didn’t elaborate on story specifics, or particular performances, except in one case: Toby Kebbell, the Dawn of the Planet of the Apes breakout star who plays Doctor Doom in the new Fantastic Four.

“Working with Toby is a blast,” Jordan said. “I’ve always been a fan of his work and respected him tons. I never got a chance to meet him, but I heard he was coming on board and I got really excited to be in scenes with somebody that you respect. Off set and on, he’s a leader. He’s pretty funny. We get along great, man. So you know, actually, it’s a blast. It’s been really good.”

Fantastic Four arrives on June 19, 2015.

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  • percane

    disabilities??? every time you think it can’t sound worse…it does

  • Brandon

    “Breakout star”? I didn’t even recognize him. He was an ape.

  • MontandsArm

    “We’re more or less a bunch of kids that had an accident and we have disabilities now.” Uh, what?

  • CeeCeeCee

    We’re now approaching the two decade mark on Superhero films as genre, it’s good that people are willing to take the formula and flip it before it becomes stale. If you want more Marvel Studios films, watch more Marvel Studios films, they’ll be making those as long as people still watch them. This is shaping out to be something different and separate from that and you have to at least appreciate that ambition.

    Look at how different The Dark Knight Trilogy was from everything around it and how much of a success the first two films were. You don’t get that kind of film making by playing to every fanboy’s whim.

  • CeeCeeCee

    Being turned in to a giant rock is kind of a disability, no?

  • lewis4510

    I would call this a train wreck but that would be an insult to train wrecks.

  • Harvey

    This is going to be absolutely horrible. I will vote with my dollars – won’t spend a dime on this crap. Fantastic Four movies just never ever get it right.

  • roger less

    Why not just come out and say its evolved into an original movie instead of claiming it’s still the ‘Fantastic Four’ to take advantage of fans who want to see an actual ‘Fantastic Four” film?
    “Well its not quite the same characters, they might have different names, we’ve updated their powers and they’re not actually called the FF or wear any suits, but its still Fantastic Four.”
    I’ll call it what it is,
    “Another Half-Assed Fox Movie Made To Exploit the Wallets Of Comic Book Fans”

  • Josiah Silas Michael

    Blessing and a curse?

  • lewis4510

    He just described the plot to Chronicle.

  • Josiah Silas Michael

    I’m really very intrigued by this. I can’t wait to see a trailer.

  • CeeCeeCee

    The highest selling comics these days only number in the hundred thousands, I don’t think any superhero film no matter how close or loose an adaptation really lives or dies on the patronage of the comic book reading audience. Even if every person who bought fantastic four last month boycotted this it could still do well….

  • percane

    that’s only because they’re so damn expensive now. if they still cost 75 cents they’d sell a lot higher numbers

  • Spiderpope

    Maybe people would like a film called ‘Fantastic Four’ to be about the Fantastic Four.

    Just a thought.

  • Spiderpope

    Then why bother using the name at all? If comic fans are so irrelevant to success, why not just make something completely unrelated?

  • percane

    there is no planet where i would put josh trank in the same league as christopher nolan. chronicle was an entirely forgettable movie.

  • lattethunder

    Wow, it sounds rather like the first couple arcs of Ultimate Fantastic Four, which is what they’ve been saying for the past several months. How that sort of take on the franchise translates to “OMG! This has nothing to do with the Fantastic Four! Fox is just a bunch of greedy jerks who don’t want Marvel and Disney to get the license back!” is beyond me.

  • neonrideraryeh

    I think it’s kind of selfish for Trank to make this his own vanity project instead of actually making a movie about what he was hired to do. Rehashing his past stuff is not a good idea.

  • Jim Gorr

    I’ll be waiting for the next Fantastic Four reboot…

  • DaddyX

    Saw Chronicle, loved it. FUCK this reboot..

  • percane

    it doesn’t sound anything like the first couple of arcs of UFF. they weren’t leading a normal life before the accident (they were at a young genius brain trust controlled by the government experimenting with the negative zone) and aside from the thing, none of them considered themselves disabled

  • CeeCeeCee

    It seems like it still is, theyre just approaching it from a different angle than most superhero films.

  • CeeCeeCee

    Right, I’m not saying the two film makers are on a par with each other, just that having an unconventional take on well established genre tropes, like we saw with the dark knight, can be a very good thing.

  • Spiderpope

    I’m no expert on the Fantastic Four, but aside from there being four leads, ii’ve heard little that resembles the Fantastic Four.

  • CeeCeeCee

    Because making a genre flick that isn’t related to or based on an already established property is a huge risk now.

  • CeeCeeCee

    Such as what exactly? Barely any specifics have been mentioned at all.

  • Spiderpope

    But you just claimed that even if every FF fan boycotts it, it wouldn’t affect it’s success.

    So which is it? Does it need the comic fan crutch or not?

  • CeeCeeCee

    Would 100,000 fantastic four fans boycotting this film affect its success at the box office? No,comic book readers are a drop in the ocean compared to media consumers at large.

    Are genre flicks based on established properties a safer bet for studios than those that aren’t? Yes, but that has more to do with monetising name recognition than exploiting comic book fandom.

  • Spiderpope

    If the fans are such a drop in the ocean, then name recognition is irrelevant, because the very people who would recognize it, you’ve already dismissed as irrelevant.

    It is not unreasonable for fans of an existing property to want an adaptation to be at least vaguely recognisable as the same thing.

  • Spiderpope

    The entirety of the article above?

  • Deucifer the Sixth

    You guys just gotta do the math. The last Fantastic Four issue sold about 33K. Do you really that’s enough to dent a movie that potentially reaches millions?

  • Chris Kelly

    Not really. I recognise the name Fantastic Four. I’ve never read a F4 comic. I know people who’ve never read any comics that will go see this because it’s another comic book movie like Avengers.

  • CeeCeeCee

    I asked for specifics. The article above mentions nothing specific at all, the writer even mentions that it doesn’t.

  • CeeCeeCee

    The majority of people going to see this movie, or any upcoming superhero movie have watched more episodes of the old Fox Kids cartoon than they have read any comic. Slavishly adhering to the source material in order to appease a tiny audience who will probably still see the film, if only to complain, is a waste of time and energy.

  • Nick Isoldi

    Let me preface this by saying that I like Michael B Jordan, and I am sure he would make a great Johnny Storm.The problem with the film has nothing to do with him. He is just an actor presented with an incredible opportunity to play and iconic role.

    The problem is with the director

    He recently went on record stating that he has told the actors not to read the comics because his vision isn’t like anything that you have seen in the comic books. Its kind of a selfish approach to project your vision of characters into the public without respecting the source material? These are characters that belong to everyone who has read a comic, and after the ball drop that was the first attempt that this series, FOX kind of owes us a more faithful representation.

    It sounds less like a movie about the fantastic four and more like a movie that has similar setting and characters. Like an alternate reality version (ultimate universe) of the characters.

    I know its uncommon, but I really hope that someone associated with this reboot at Fox reads all the negative publicity around this reboot and the light goes on that maybe this isn’t the direction they should head.

  • Shandor

    Perhaps it’s a bit cynical to suggest, but do you think Fox is cheaply producing a crap Fantastic Four movie just so they can hold onto the title? Oh wait, they’ve already done that before.

  • Jason M Bryant

    CeeCeeCee, I get that you’re trying to give the movie a far shot. I think that’s reasonable, and you shouldn’t back down from that.

    However, everyone does have a point. The Thing has always been presented as having a tragic transformation, so it would be reasonable to think of it as a disability. That’s not true for the rest of them. Johnny may have been a kid in the comic, but not the others. I wouldn’t say that everything Jordan says in the article is at odds with the comic, but enough of it is that it’s reasonable for Spiderpope to feel that way.

    In a previous interview we’ve seen the lead actress say that the director told her not to bother reading the comics because it wasn’t based on any history from the comics. Not just that it wasn’t based on a particular story, but the history. That’s significant. It’s not even the only comment we’ve heard like that.

    There’s really been very little that makes it sound like this is a reasonable adaptation of the FF. You have a fair point that we should be open to different things and give this a chance, but everyone else also has a point that the creators have consistently made it sound like it shouldn’t be called Fantastic Four.

  • CeeCeeCee

    ” Its kind of a selfish approach to project your vision of characters into the public without respecting the source material?”

    Directors do this all the time. Some of the best films have been adaptations that pay very little regard to the work’s they’re based on.

    “These are characters that belong to everyone who has read a comic, and after the ball drop that was the first attempt that this series, FOX kind of owes us a more faithful representation.”

    These characters belong to Marvel, who have given the rights to Fox. You don’t own them and aren’t owed anything.

    “It sounds less like a movie about the fantastic four and more like a movie that has similar setting and characters. Like an alternate reality version (ultimate universe) of the characters.”

    I think it’s about time for an unconventional take on a superhero adaptation. Some of the best and most well loved comics have been those that disregard the majority of what came before them and told their own, alternative stories. Why can’t this be the same for a comic book movie?

    “I know its uncommon, but I really hope that someone associated with this reboot at Fox reads all the negative publicity around this reboot and the light goes on that maybe this isn’t the direction they should head.”

    How many films would ever get made if studios paid attention to what a vocal minority of fans on the internet had to say before the film had even started shooting yet.

  • jrau18

    “we aren’t looking at this as like, being superheroes” So basically, he doesn’t get the Fantastic Four at all.

  • CeeCeeCee

    You raise some great points. I personally just don’t think film maker’s should be so beholden to fandom or the source material. I really do commend Trank for going against the grain and not slavishly trying to tell fans exactly what they want to hear.

    Imagine how boring Starship Troopers would have been if it were a page for page adaptation of the book, with no creative license on the part of the director…

    I also think that a lot of people had it in for this film from the moment the casting was announced and were never going to be pleased anyway. I’m willing to give it a chance because it has made such an effort to be different from everything we’ve had so far. Superhero films will die a quick death if they all try to do exactly what Marvel Studios have done.

  • Kim Anh Nguyen

    Yeah, Fox’s unconventional take on Dragonball was the best thing ever.

  • CeeCeeCee

    I read a bad book once, I guess I’ll never read any other book again.

  • Jack

    The Fantastic Four is very difficult to write as a comic and I can only imagine what it must be like to create a film around it…I don’t think anyone should make any assumptions about it…. however, I get annoyed with these arrogant Directors who want to do some abstract esoteric interpretation of a comic book and then it winds up being a disaster. …. Marvel should have gotten their rights back…. Lee and Kirby John Byrne and Johnathan Hickman had the best runs ever on Fantastic Four….Those should be the templates for this film….This thing is going to tank….I hope so then Marvel can get their rights back…….

  • Kim Anh Nguyen

    Fox’s unconventional take on the League of Extraordinary Gentleman was the best thing ever.

  • Ozaline

    Actually in the Ultimate Fantastic Four they were all quite young… For me the handling of Doom matters more than the handling of the Fantastic Four. If Doom is good I will enjoy it.

  • http://batman-news.com hanson724

    ” We’re more or less a bunch of kids that had an accident and we have disabilities now that we have to cope with, and try to find a life afterwards – try to be as normal as we can.”
    I’m pretty sure this is the same plot from some Lifetime Movie from the 90′s.
    What a lame idea for a FF film. They should have named it something else.

  • AirDave

    TO: Actors Cast in FF Reboot Film/Chronicle Sequel

    Please. Stop. Talking.
    Unless you want to share with us your passion for the character you’re going to play, and how cool it is to be a positive role model, just… Stop. Talking. This movie is not re-inventing the wheel. It’s another attempt to (more) successfully bring characters that have rocked it in the comics for nearly a half century to live action – so really you shouldn’t feel any pressure at all to deliver. Just get “in character” and let’s go from there.

  • http://batman-news.com hanson724

    “I also think that a lot of people had it in for this film from the moment the casting was announced…”
    Whose casting? Cause if you’re talking about Jordan being Johnny Storm and this your way of subtly saying people are racist if they don’t want to see this film then you’ve lost credibility.

  • CeeCeeCee

    LXG was a bad film. So was Dragon Ball. That still isn’t to say that a film has to follow the source material to an exact tee in order to be good.

  • bandoogiemanz

    Idk, but for some reason, I’m sensing a theme here :)

  • CeeCeeCee

    No, I’m not saying people are racist for not wanting to see this film.

  • Kim Anh Nguyen

    No. But it does show that Fox isn’t the best studio to go to for movie adaptations. the 3 good X-Men flicks were exceptions and were directed by Bryan Singer.

    This, here, is directed by Josh “Chronicle” Trank.
    Who asks actors not to read the comic books.
    Dafuq.

  • bandoogiemanz

    From the 90′s? Man, I just watched one of those on Lifetime last week!

  • partyhands

    Man, CeeCeeCee reeeeeally wants this to be good for some reason.

  • CeeCeeCee

    I really do! I really enjoyed Chronicle. I’ve got a lot of faith in the cast members I’ve seen before and I think super hero films could do with something a little less formulaic.

  • bandoogiemanz

    Does anyone know what the terms are of the licensing deal for Fox with the Fantastic Four, specifially how long can they go without making a movie before the lose the rights? Rise of the Silver Surfer came out in 2007, and this reboot is supposed to come out next year, so that’s about 8 years. I think what they want to do is make a movie they think will generate well at the box office regardless of how faithful it is or isn’t and name it fantastic four so they can keep the license. The best of both worlds.

  • CeeCeeCee

    I wonder how and why the tables turned on Chronicle. When it first came out the reaction was overwhelmingly positive, now people are acting like it was an atrocity.

  • Victor Acosta

    Can you hear the train wreck that’s coming? It almost sounds like thunder now.

  • FF Fan

    Yeah, most people are excited for upcoming superhero films. Atypical indeed.

  • Laurence J Sinclair

    This sounds more like Doom Patrol than Fantastic Four.

  • Hypestyles

    I will support the film. Hopefully it will be very successful. It would have been interesting if the film had been set in the 1960s, and thus the characters could have gotten involved in the Civil Rights Movement.

  • MyronB

    I have a feeling there is more to the legal issues between Disney-Marvel and Fox than we know, thus the completely different take on the Fantastic Four.

  • Ben

    I’m all diversity of characters of all races and heroes… But this recent need to change the skin tone/religion of key characters smacks of PC out of control. This movie sounds AWFUL, even if Mr Jordan is a great actor, I don’t think he can save it. Now that we simple people know that. Spider-Man, captain America, Nick Fury, and Johnny Storm can be black, I personal look forward to a white Black Panther, Storm, and Cyborg. Totally would go well don’t you think? After all it’s just a skin tone….

  • Ben

    True, the last fantastic four movies were fairly trash, BUT there were some bright spots. Michael Chiklis as the Thing salvaged the movie from utter trash, to watchable. I honestly think of they would have cast a more “wholesome” leading lady, instead if eye candy, it would have done better. I love Jessica Alba, but she didn’t have the acting “gravitas” to do Sue storm benefit. I’m thinking Helen Hunt type vibe. Normal looking, smart and fierce. Instead we got sexy, but in substance.

  • marccoogs

    “We’re more or less a bunch of kids that had an accident and we have disabilities now that we have to cope with, and try to find a life afterwards – try to be as normal as we can.””

    So its basically Chronicle, but with a female in the group. Is all of Josh Trank’s movies have the same plot?

  • Trank Wank

    not meaning to be an ass but are you working on the movie or something? – every post I read of yours on here is so quick to jump to the defense of this project. Lets be real here, Josh Trank doesn’t have much of a track record, and neither does Fox when it comes to superhero movies. The news on this film keeps getting worse and worse. I’ve seen concept art from the film that looks so different than anything we have ever seen before but seriously not in a good way. The production is all over the place. I will be so surprised if this turns out to be a good film.

  • kjahsdkjahsdlkajsdhlkajshd

    The torch is white; not black.

  • http://theplc.tv sethbdeadwood

    And a billion other super hero stories.

  • TimJ

    Except the Fantastic Four are explorers just as much as they are superheroes (I would say moreso!)
    That being said, I don’t expect this movie to go in that direction!

  • Roler42

    I take it you never watched any of Uwe Boll’s films…

  • the_Hold_Steady

    RE: “I personally just don’t think film maker’s should be so beholden to fandom or the source material. I really do commend Trank for going against the grain and not slavishly trying to tell fans exactly what they want to hear.” Just like the Cathy Lee Crosby Wonder Woman and George Clooney Batman!

  • CeeCeeCee

    Yep, those two entirely unrelated films were bad so this will be too. I get it now.

  • CeeCeeCee

    Josh Trank is a much better film maker than Use Bol, let’s be real here. How at all is Chronicle comparable to anything he has made?

  • CeeCeeCee

    What concept art? I’ve seen nothing. What in particular about Chronicle spells disaster for this film?

  • Shandor

    Actually, I was referring to the unreleased 1994 Roger Corman FF movie, which was produced by Fox, but put straight into the can so they can hold onto the rights.

  • Realistic Overplayed

    Well them playing it like they’re normal doesn’t sound all that fantastic to me.

  • Duncan Webb

    Yet ANOTHER reason to bypass this crappy “reboot”.

  • the_Hold_Steady

    There is at least as much evidence that this film will be bad as that it will be good. Blindly defending a film that you haven’t seen is no less pigheaded than condemning one.

  • Duncan Webb

    I agree, but some people would accept four turds in FF costumes just because it`s a “different take/vision”. I`m glad I`m not the only one who values QUALITY entertainment that`s true to the source material.

  • Ben

    Touché… But my post still stands…:)

  • sackman11

    I’ve got an open enough mind to have appreciated the original Fox FF movies by Tim Story. People can complain about some of the cheesiness of first 2 films, but there was a decent enough effort made to stay within a few miles of the source material. I thought that the casting was decent, even if the performances were a bit cardboard.

    The way the reboot is shaping up, it’ll be one of the first super-hero genre movies I won’t be going to see. I’ve got no interest. I’m not alone. For every person out there interested in seeing this new “spin” on the name “FF”, there are 20 people with respect for the source material who just won’t go.

    Fox may as well plan on this one being the “Ishtar” of super-hero movies. Disaster awaits.

  • FF Fan

    Unfortunately they can’t get “in character” because they have been told not to study who the characters are and just trust “the vision” of Josh Trank

  • CeeCeeCee

    I’m as much blindly defending it as people are blindly deriding it. So far people against it haven’t had much to say that sounds anything beyond boilerplate fan boy fear of change and anything different. If being positive about something I like the sound of is pig headed then so be it. Chances are you’ll still watch it.

  • Brian from Canada

    It’s not two decades: we’ve had them steady since 1978.

    The Dark Knight wasn’t that different from the source material as people make it out to believe: Batman Begins lifts directly from Year One, Dark Knight has lines from Arkham Asylum, and a lot of the setting and character actions are consistent with the Batman relaunch in the mid- to late-80s.

    Vision has NOTHING to do with it. Each director is capable of putting their own stamp on comic book movies while still working to be faithful to the source material — and that, clearly, is not what Mr. Trank is doing.

    The comments of Josh Trank and his cast reveal that the science fiction/exploration angle of the franchise is gone. The inner strength of the characters to become heroes is being avoided and now we hear that the family dynamic is changed. That’s not The Fantastic Four, it’s a version of another movie calling itself Fantastic Four because it has some similar plot points.

    EVERYTHING Trank and Jordan have said seems to discourage fans of the comic franchise. Those words have already spread amongst non-readers who are aware of the franchise through the previous films.

    It’s going to take one heck of a trailer to get the audiences back from avoiding this movie. Not enough time has passed away from the original to relegate it as irrelevant; the more people hear about how different it is, they more they envision failure than success.

  • Brian from Canada

    No, it’s not. Ben’s problem is emotional, not physical; the physical is adapted to fairly early on.

    But that’s why Ultimate Fantastic Four was such a dismal failure with readers, and why Trank’s interpretation also seems to be going the wrong way.

  • Brian from Canada

    Your comment has three notable errors in logic…

    1: Honouring the source material does not mean slavish duplication, it means recognition of the aspects of the original that make it unique and appealing to the fans. That’s why Donner’s Superman, Singer’s X-Men or Burton’s Batman all worked so well while still being modernized takes on old material.

    2: Source awareness makes a huge impact on acceptance of those “creative licenses” you talk about. Just look at how Disney began to falter in animation when it started doing more than centuries-old fairy tales cleaned up to hide their darkness. Starship Troopers wasn’t exactly as known as The Fantastic Four is now.

    3: The strongest selling superhero adaptations — the ones most beloved — are the ones who emphasize what makes the property so special after decades of appearances. Fox’s X-Men films resurrected that after a dismal third film but this Fantastic Four is doing the opposite with every step it takes. Not basing off the comics hurts its credibility A LOT, especially when every other successful film works to incorporate as much from the comics without ruining the story instead.

    And my complaint isn’t about casting. Personally, I am less upset with Jordan’s casting as I am the fact that he defended it as being an improvement on the “racist” Lee & Kirby days — that’s an insult to the social history behind the superheroes, to the creators and to the fans who understand who these men were and what they accomplished because of the situation at hand.

  • Annoyed

    Another day, another stupid comment from the cast of Fantastic Four. Someone tell the guy that supper powers are not Disabilities, they are abilities. Even the thing wasn’t Disabled, he was ugly, they are not the same thing.

    I can see this film being really offensive to people like myself who are disabled and would gladly swap my disability for the ability to fly and catch fore to things, be super stretchy, be able to turn invisible and create force filds, heck even to be a super strong walking rock. Also if Dr Doom is going to be suffering from a disability and not a super cool magician in a iron man suit then ill take his disability most of all.

    Sigh, this films not only looking really poor quality but it’s putting me right off the actors involved.

    I want to be excited for this film, I love the fantastic four, as celebrity super scientists that boldly go where no other super hero team have gone before. Not whatever this mess is :(

  • Annoyed

    The Dark Knight trilogy was near identical to the comics. I instantly recognise batman as Frank Millers batman not Christopher Nolans. Nolan even admits it in interviews I’ve read, so for me anyone saying the Dark Knight somehow moved away from the comic source just doesn’t seem like a fan to me.

    Even the joker was recognisably the joker from the comics, even with all of Heath Ledgers input.

    I’d say that without Frank Miller there is no dark Knight.

    But without jack Kirby there is still Josh Tranks Chronicle 2 in fantastic four clothing…. Wait but without the clothing… It’s like Fox are going to take kirks art and scribble all over it.

    At least Nolans batman looked recognisable as Batman, it’s sounding like this Fantastic Four will be unrecognisable as the fantastic four.

    Copyright should dictate that the name and appearance of characters are linked. Otherwise your destroying the copyright and dishonouring the creators memory. Kirkby created the fantastic four, it wasn’t a name it was artwork. I think changing the look of superheroes is pretty insulting and completely

  • Annoyed

    I think you will find that more then a hundred thousand people have read fantastic four, or are fans of fantastic four. I think if you did a poll of white men over 50 you would find that the number of classic fantastic four fans is in the millions.

    Your logic is flawed, your assuming people who read comics never grow out of it. Your assuming people don’t love the things they enjoyed as children and teenagers.

    Fox is going for those millions of mature white men who will go, wow a franchise I used to love I’m going to see that.

    Look at the Bannanaman film for example, I’m more excited about that in 2015 then any other superhero film.

  • Annoyed

    I disagree, your assuming that the only people that go to see these films are under 25. Have you not been to the cinema to see the other fantastic four films? The average age of the fantastic four audience was probably 40, but now time has passed. I’m sure it’s getting hard to draw in the fantastic four fan base especially as comics are suffering. But the fan base has had 75 years to build up, the fantastic four were bigger then the justice league of America at one point, you not giving the characters the respect they deserve or the millions of fans.

  • dei1c3

    It sounds like those people are going to be disappointed since this one won’t be anything like Avengers.

  • dei1c3

    Who said anything about “slavish”? How about simply a little respect for the source material? This movie sounds like it’s not going to be anything like the original FF…but it’ll have the name slapped on top.

  • dei1c3

    How about answering his question. Because you’re an absolute apologist in this comment thread. It’s only natural to wonder if you’ve got something to do with this film.

  • Garry Boldwater

    I agree. I’d like to see this with Superman and Batman. We’ve had so many male versions of those characters, I think a female actress as Batman or Superman would really breath life into those stale franchises. We’ve also had too many straight versions of Tarzan. The Green Lantern movie would have worked if they would have cast an actor with Downs Syndrome. And I think the rumors of a transgendered Wonder Woman are very intriguing.

  • Garry Boldwater

    This is why the gay Spider-Man idea is the only hope for those movies.

  • Spiderpope

    It doesn’t require slavish devotion. But it would be nice to have a Fantastic Four movie that was about the Fantastic Four.

    Rather than what appears to be Chronicle with a name change.

  • Spiderpope

    His skin colour is irrelevant.

  • Spiderpope

    And how is Johnny Storm’s skin colour a defining trait? Which heroics could he not perform as a black man?

    The race of the actors is irrelevant if they are the best actors for the job. This movie is looking to be a train wreck, but the fact Jordan is black is not the issue.

  • CeeCeeCee

    Bit angry there pal? Yeah, I’m Trank’s girlfriends uncle’s cab driver’s son’s hockey coach.

    Nah, I have nothing to do with the production of this film. Get a grip

  • Ben

    How is a Black panthers, Storm, and cyborgs? You can’t have it both ways…it’s either PC bull hockey either way if those heroes skin color was changed to sut some artificial PC nonsense. What I want is for those great and amazing characters to be able to stand on their owns not slap a new “coat of paint” on already established character and acting like we have some morale insight into racism because we changed a characters skin color… The cynical side of me is the this is more a business decision to attract new demographics (which is good), it’s at the expense of not pushing the stronger minority heroes and not letting them stand on their own merits. I just find it all very disengenius,

    My point still stands.. How do you feel people would feel if Black Panther, Storm, Etc skin was change? You realize there are white people in Africa to right? Don’t they deserve a hero that meets their specific needs to?

  • berrto

    I’m convinced this guy is purposely trying to sabotage this movie. Either that or he’s a complete dumbass….

  • Zarathos No Daimaōh

    I’d love to give it a chance to fully flip over and do their own take of the Fantastic Four …. however , the problem is , and the source of complains , is that we never had ONCE a proper Fantastic Four movie . We are not necessarily talking about doing a verbatim copy of the book , but something that would at least translate it well and its spirit , before going crazy on reinventions . Spiderman kinda had its shots , twice already … it took a long time but X-men as well with the last two movies , the Avengers ? in Solo venture and as a group were done justice too … while all of those set themselves apart from the books and got their own identities .

    It’s not exagerated for FF fans to hope for such a chance , instead of getting some grounded meta experience about superheroing and family

  • Zarathos No Daimaōh

    Sure , but you dont seem hard pressed to provide a list of good movies that deviate as much as those from the original material . And it’s easy to see why .. beause in most cases , such deviation steems from factors like the wrong director (not necessarily a bad one , but wrong for the movie concerned) , a franchise stripped from it’s core essence , and all superficial elements based on aesthetics , mythos , background being removed too . keep pretending everyone is saying “since LXG or that one other movie is bad , so will all others ” . Most are saying that it’s already taking a thorny path and start , will rarely lead to a good movie .

  • Shawn Kane

    I don’t think it’s outrageous for Fantastic Four fans to be disappointed that this film has no intention of following the Fantastic Four comic book outside of using the names and powers of the characters. The Marvel Studios movies have been successful because they’ve blending the existing histories of their characters with the vision of the director. They not completely faithful to the source but they’re faithful enough that alot of long time fans enjoy the movies. Based on the casting and the descriptions from the actors involved, there seems to be very little of Marvel’s Fantastic Four versus the vision of the director. So there seems to be a line drawn in the sand between Josh Trank fans and Fantastic Four fans.

    To a fan like me who has loved the FF since the late 70′s, it seems like this is more about Fox keeping the name in play in order to keep Marvel (who would most assuredly have a better take on the franchise) from getting it back.

  • Zarathos No Daimaōh

    Yeah the brand obviously got a huge value , and isnt just used so they dont lose it forever . it it had no value , no way would Fox fight to keep it

  • Zarathos No Daimaōh

    It doesnt work like that . For starters the numbers you offer are only the “current readership” for some books . Those are ongoing soap in comics form , people drop in and out of those all the time , and it’s obvious there are excess of millions of people who heard , read or saw the Fantastic Four at some point of their life .

    And however people want to dismiss that , word to mouth got an effect , varying on the movies . When people got told how bad Fantastic Four 1 was by comics fans , even if they dont care or know about the franchise , they kinda understood it . Especially when the movie , standing on its own , regardless of the fidelity to a franchise , is very bad . It did help F2 do less at the box office , while having a bigger budget cost .

    LXG too was a mediocre movie too begin with riddled with issues during it’s filming . But it also didnt help that no fan of the books had anything positive to say about it , and were actually very vocal against it . And let’s not even get started on Alan Moore .

  • lattethunder

    “How is a Black panthers, Storm, and Cyborgs?” Well, their ethnicity is a defining characteristic of at least two of those characters, that’s how. The same is not true of Johnny Storm. Having an African-American actor play Johnny Storm is the same as having an African-American play Deena Pilgrim: big whoop. Doesn’t fundamentally change anything about the character. Having a white, Asian, Jewish, or Hispanic actor play either Black Panther or Storm would fundamentally destroy a large part of what makes them who they are.

    Do you also think Morgan Freeman should not have been cast in ‘Shawshank Redemption,’ or Bernie Casey in ‘Never Say Never Again’ and Jeffrey Wright in ‘Casino Royale’? Their creators described one as being a redheaded Irishman, the other boyish with blonde hair. Those descriptions don’t jibe with the physical appearance of the actors who portrayed them, but the republic still stands.

  • Ben

    So it’s ok for some heroes (and mostly white heroes that matter) but not all right for others. Because with a black hero, they are only the some of their skin color, but traditionally white hero it’s the “mantle” that can be passed along, is that it? I think your insulting traditionally black here’s by defining them SOLEY by the color of their skin….. It’s PC bull hockey if it was the other away around, and you know it. You can’t have it both ways.

  • Zarathos No Daimaōh

    While it’s true that BP and storm’s ethnicity and ties to regions are part of their mythos and character . It still rubs me the wrong way when people say that . Because , even if vastly shortened , it still amounts to claiming white ethnicities as generic and non descript , while the others bring “flavor” or history

  • Ben

    BINGO! We’ll put sir. BP and storm are soool much more than the color of their skin. I guess for some people ignoring MLKs whole “not the color of his skin, but content of character” speech doesn’t apply to all people. Only those of certain skin tone… Sad isn’t it?

  • Guest

    It is the same for Johnny Storm, he is a white person, his culture is white American, he likes comics and wrestling, he went to high school at Glenville high, his dad was a doctor in the 1940s, his love of WW2 meant he named himself after the human torch and used his knowledge to save Namors life.

    Now I’m not saying you can’t make him black, but you can’t make him ghetto, he loves racing car driving even though his mom died in a motor car accident, but it doesn’t mean he like Tokyo drift.

    Look saying there are not enough ethnicities in comics is fine, but saying white middle class conservative isn’t a culture is so racist it makes my blood boil.

    I love the new ms Marvel because I relate to the character better, but I wouldn’t want Carol Danvers to suddenly have become Muslim

  • Zarathos No Daimaōh

    I feel it’s a slippery slope for all . While there are extreme cases where the change wouldnt make sense … even for some argued choice , it would be easy to go awry .

    In theory one of the currently popular black marvel
    hero , Luke Cage could just as easily be changed to be white . What’s his background and lifestory ? That he’s a repentant delinquant from the ghetto ? Despite some unfortunate tropes , it’s not a black cultural element . He could just as easily be some white dude mixed up in the criminal lifestyle , get his powers and becomes an hero for hire . If anything his more proeminant cultural colloquialism felt rather racists or at least borderline . His recent and most popular incarnation dropped most of it , and he mostly display now regular slang , displaying his ties to his neighborhood and pride . pretty much all of that can fit a White Luke Cage . I precise that i do not wish for it , far from it … merely a theory there

  • lattethunder

    You’re really reaching, aren’t you? How was I defining them solely by the color of their skin? You seem to be doing that, because you can’t see how their distinctive backgrounds are a large part of who they are.

    So things wouldn’t be any different if Storm and Panther were Caucasian? Panther is the leader of a group of fiercely independent Africans who resist being exploited by outsiders, so making him a white guy wouldn’t change anything about him? And Storm’s a mutant mistaken by African villagers for a goddess. Giving her white skin wouldn’t be that big a deal? If you think so, you’re nuts. Like a lot of non-white characters, their race informs them. If you think it doesn’t, you’re reducing them, saying their particular backgrounds (and the struggles therein) are meaningless.

  • lattethunder

    Why would you care if Danvers suddenly converted to Islam?

  • Guest

    Not true Wakanda is fictional, it could be in Scotland, China, India, South America, heck even Canada by your logic. a Inuit Black Panther and Storm and a Wakanda set in the forests of Northern Canada

    Johnny Storm has over 50 years of history, he has done loads of things that would be unusual for a black person to do, including portraying famous superheroes on film (the rawhide kid).

    Or are you saying the rawhide kid should also be black? Or that in the film they should have Johnny play an actor getting stick for being a black man playing the part of a white historical character. (Remember the comics in. Marvel comics are like history books, Johnny took the name Human Torch from his love of Human Torch comics and knew how to save Namor from his love of comics)

    So don’t make out Johnny Storm has done nothing to fix his culture as white middle class American from New York.

  • Ben

    Again, why is it perfectly acceptable to “replace” a long established hero that is white and replace it with a minority, but if the reverse were to happen, it’s some racist shocking thing…. It’s PC bs. You can’t have it both ways…. That was my point.

    Your comment distlilles storm and BP down to their blackness, when i stated there was more to them than that…. So yes, you were being hypocritical and racist in your comments. I don’t cAre what the color of your skin is, I care about your character. I’m just annoyed that for some reason (racism!!!!!) people feel it’s ok to change a white heroes skin color, but are shocked when it’s the other way around. How about instead of pandering to the race Baiters, instead promote those great existing minority heroes on their own merits, and not slapping a new title on them. It is condescending to state that black characters can’t make on their own unless we slap a popular white heroes name on it. Or maybe I’m just being to cynical.

    That being stated, this movie looks to be total garbage. I hope Mr Jordan’s career isn’t damaged to badly by this stinker..

  • Ben

    Obvoiusly because he and all of us are racist… Is that what you ant to hear? Or how about it’s against the characters white middle catholic background. I’m soooo tired of people that cry racism on EVERYTHING.

  • Zarathos No Daimaōh

    Never saw it under that angle , but you gotta admit that by that logic , nothing is set against an asian version or south american version of wakanda … basically a a strong and independant tech based city that strongly follows element of regional folklore resisting the Occident , among other things , and it’s views on urbanism , society and theology . And have a black panther representative of them .

    It would be different , but in essence the same

  • lattethunder

    Islam isn’t a race, it’s a religion. Muslims are adherents of Islam. People of any ethnic background can be Muslim, and real-world white people (including Catholics) convert to Islam on a regular basis.

  • Ben

    Obviously, but our entire conversation was about race thus I was trying to stay on topic. But it’s a streeeettccchhhhh to have a historically catholic centric character like Ms Marvel suddenly convert to Islam….I. I notice you don’t like answering any of the questions people post in response to you…… You always move the goal posts….

  • CeeCeeCee

    I don’t think comic book fans have as much of a sway with the public at large as you suggest. Either by word of mouth or at the box office.

  • lattethunder

    But an Asian analog to the Black Panther couldn’t be written exactly as the Black Panther has been. The history of the regions hasn’t been exactly the same, so the background that goes into building the character wouldn’t result in the exact same character. What makes the Black Panther uniquely the Black Panther couldn’t be exactly applied to someone of Asian descent.

  • CeeCeeCee

    “some grounded meta experience about superheroing and family”

    I suppose its a matter of taste but I’d rather have this than a straight up and down comic book movie. We’ve had so many of them.

  • lattethunder

    I don’t understand enough of that to respond.

  • Ben

    Keep moving those goal posts buddy…..our topic was about race , so I was trying to stay on topic. And it’s a streeettchhhh to suddenly see a white Catholic centric hero like Ms Marvel suddenly convert to a faith that is almost polar opposite to her established faith.. Now if the new Ms marvel will explore the good and bad sides of Islam, there are some good stories there. But I somehow doubt that marvel (or any big comic publisher ) will show the negative aspects of Islam….Christians on the other hand are fair game… Want to know why??? Because their extreme radicals don’t cut off people’s heads in this modern age. The extremists of the Islam fait are more “proactive” of any slight they feel that attacks their faith.

  • CeeCeeCee

    What are some things that it would be usual for a black person to do?

  • CeeCeeCee

    “he is a white person, his culture is white American, he likes comics and wrestling, he went to high school at Glenville high, his dad was a doctor in the 1940s, his love of WW2″

    Y’know, I have definitely heard rumours of black americans who also enjoy comics and wrestling, went to high school and had parents who served in world war two. Just a rumour though…

  • lattethunder

    YOU keep distilling Black Panther and Storm down to the color of their skin. I’m saying they have backgrounds that a white person–and that includes a white person from the same geographical region–simply wouldn’t have, and those backgrounds are central to their personalities and worldviews.

  • Spiderpope

    Johnny Storm’s character isn’t altered in the slightest by being portrayed as a black actor.

    Storm and Black Panther would be altered. Cyborg, i don’t know enough about DC to say for sure, but nothing strikes me as his skin colour being a defining trait, so go ahead, cast who you want.

  • Spiderpope

    Because no black person likes comics, wrestling or has a Doctor for a father right?

  • Spiderpope

    Because as we all know, only white middle class people from New York read comics or play superheroes in films.

    Seriously, can you not even see your own prejudices?

  • CeeCeeCee

    We might disagree about this films potential but at least we both agree that this guy is a fool

  • Ben

    Then why can’t there be a white Black. Panther??? Johnny Storms history is a white middle class kid, that’s his established background…. Just like Storm and BP have their specific history, if we can change Johnny’s background to suite a new race why not with these heroes?? Or are some heroes off limits??? Why is BP and Storm off limits, but not Johnny? Is it because of their skin color? Their history? If a change can happen to one hero it should be open territory on everyone.

    My point is this, STOP the damn pandering and promote minority heroes in their own light. Stop slapping a new label on a black hero to generate sales and to show how “brave” a comic is and acting like you fixed an issue of racism.

    Fairness and equality applies to all or none. You can’t have it both ways…

  • Guest

    I wouldn’t, if she was rebooted as Muslim I’d not like it. As long as her relationship with Rhodey continues I’m happy.

    This isn’t about different cultures it’s about changing origins, Kamala Khan is my all time favourite hero, if Eden Asher gets cast as her as reports have suggested I’ll be really upset.

    The point is Johnny Storm has background, they shouldn’t change it.

    Please do pass the Mantle to others, I’m very excited about female Thor and Sam becoming captain America.

    The few comics I read are ms Marvel, She Hulk, captain Marvel and mighty Avengers. I read others but not every copy.

    I love the old comics you can get online though and I love the fantastic four origin, I can forgive the sexism and laugh at how old fashioned it all is. But it would be wrong to demand people change any characters background. If this was changing a Hindu woman into

  • Ben

    Don’t white people have backgrounds and history to? Or do white people have no history? Why is non white history able to take over a white hero, but not the other way around??? How is this fair?

  • Guest

    Sorry keyboard froze, anyway where was I.

    Yeah if they change a female Hindu hero into a white Christian man I’d be upset so how can I be offended if people don’t want to see a 53 year old character replaced with an African American.

    I respect Muslims and Christians. Black and white people are much more represented in comics then all the other ethnicities anyway, if your going to change race why african-American, it’s like America can only see in black and white anyway, there are other races you know?

    Peace and love :) no offence intended in my comments

  • Ben

    Can you? It’s ok to change a white hero to black, but not a black to white… It’s the SAME thing.

  • Guest

    Maybe that’s why people are taking issue with opinions, I don’t see white people as a majority and black people as a minority except in comics.

    You know in reality white people make up a minority of the population of the planet

  • lattethunder

    Have you never seen a biblical epic? White people take over for nonwhite people in those all the time. Do you have a problem with that? Are you going to throw this big a hissy fit over the new Ridley Scott movie? I’m guessing you will, since you’re all for being equal.

  • Ben

    Yep, I’m fully aware of that. I just want “minority” heroes who have their own great compelling stories to get their due in the limelight. I find it incredibly insulting that the only way a minority hero can make it big in the eyes of the comic book company and viewers, is if he/she supplants an established white hero. Why can’t the minority hero make their splash without thus crutch? There is obviously a market and viewers for it.

  • Ben

    Sure. Totally agree. I’m not having a hissy fit, I’m just pointing out your illogical arguments…..

  • Ben

    Ok, then so is Black Panthers, Storms and Cyborgs…..

  • Ben

    And a black analog to Johnny Storm won’t be the same thing….your arguments defending a change in one hero but not in the other is illogical and racist.

  • Guest

    Exactly, not that I’ve read any black panther, but I’d love a white tiger film with sets around kunlun with a new Chinese Pakistani or Indian White tiger.

    I’d not want Wakanda moving though, I think what’s written shouldn’t be changed so much, but that’s just my opinion I guess.

  • Ben

    We’ll look at this way… We can look forward to a great Teenage mutant ninja turtles movie… It’s not like Michael Bay has ever destroyed a piece of my childhood before….

  • Ben

    And I also heard of young white people in Africa (Black Panther, storm) and who are childhood delinquents in a poor neighborhood (Luke Cage)……

  • lattethunder

    How is crying racism on EVERYTHING any more tiresome and counterproductive than crying PC nonsense on EVERYTHING? Both can be knee-jerk reactions representative of a narrow view of the world, a refusal to think there’s any other possible explanation for a turn of events.

  • Ben

    Totally agree. Let’s let heroes make their own mark, and not “whitewash” (sorry I had to go there) a hero just because it’s the cool,thing to do.

  • Ben

    Because the cry of racism is emotionally based that only seems to be “ok” and acceptable for one group of people and not for the other. PC crys are a response to where politicians and the media have taken us to this point. Some people are considered “favored” classes of people and it’s not equality under the law…

  • lattethunder

    Yep, yep, yep.

  • lattethunder

    Yes, some people are considered “favored” classes of people under the law: the wealthy, the famous, white men, and Christians.

  • Zarathos No Daimaōh

    But that’s the thing . I think that it also applies to most cases that the perspective wont the same , and that ti “doesnt matter” . I’m not going to rage like a few over cases like Johnny casted as black and boycott a movie for that … but i’m not going the PC road and pretend that “it’s all the same and fine” . I think it steems from a bad idea , whatever the good intents behind it .

  • Zarathos No Daimaōh

    And yet , the passions created over those franchise tell a different story . You can’t have it both way . You can’t say that a franchise is irrelevant , only an ocean drop follow it and knows about it , so it doesnt matter … then have contradictarily enough have big movie publishers bend over and torture themselves to pretend an original movie will fit the franchise’s name

  • Zarathos No Daimaōh

    We’ll just disagree then . It’s the actual opposite imo . Only a few lately truly went the superheroic straight movie . While most tried forcing realistic and darker versions of those heroes , for mostly wrong reasons till proven there was a market for it . It worked for Batman , because quite frankly even the comics can somehow fit and check both options . And the first Xmen movies because , it was some sort of pioneer . And again , there was never an attempt to stick even one bit to the Fantastic Four’s essence , spirit and formula thus far . I reiterate , i’m all for experimented , but you’d think people could at least get a proper shot and attempt at a real FF movie first ..

  • CeeCeeCee

    I didn’t say the franchise was irrelevant.

  • Ben

    Those dang white people keeping you down huh? Guess maybe that explains your illogical arguments. As long as you get what’s your right??? With this last post you have lost all credibility. Conversation over. Take care, learn to stop being a victim.

  • http://storywiseguy.com/ Chris Buckley

    So, basically it’s the Power Pack, not the Fantastic Four?

    “We aren’t looking at this as like, being superheroes. We’re more or less a bunch of kids that had an accident and we have disabilities now that we have to cope with, and try to find a life afterwards – try to be as normal as we can.”

  • Brian Thomas

    This will be the ultimate test of “Nerd Rage”. IF the film fails it will be seen as the result of angering the fan base and deviating too far from the source. IF the film is a hit, all bets will be off when it comes to faithful or reasonably faithful to the source adaptations. This raises an interesting question: If FF is too deviant from the source, could Marvel / Disney challenge for the right to do a more “traditional” version? Contract or no contract?

  • Dirk Agia

    Memo to comic book fans- Boycott this movie! Have the FF revert back to Marvel! This is ridiculous…

  • lattethunder

    I am one of “those dang white people,” Einstein. But your assuming that I have to be a person of color just because I’m able to recognize/willing to point out the obvious social, economic, and legal inequalities of the world in which we live certainly explains a lot about you. Your ability to reason is just as faulty as your ability to craft a sentence that doesn’t contain numerous errors in spelling and grammar. You live in America, so learn the language, if you please.

  • Dirk Agia

    Maybe to you? But it does matter to me and the rest of us! Petition the Big 2 to make new characters of color for you which could open unlimited doors to all involved but stop trying to steal our existing characters!

    Do you like hand me downs?!?!?

  • Dirk Agia

    No, he is basically describing a complete Chronicle remake with the roles replaced by superheroes and a girl!

  • Dirk Agia

    I think White guilters are afraid to say that a movie starring a Black guy might be bad?

  • Dirk Agia

    When will minorities stop arguing about the skin color of long established White characters and demand that the Big 2 start making superheroes/villains of color? It is an untapped resource if done right…

  • Ben

    Dear Internet Spelling Policeman:
    (1) Disqus and Applle products don’t get a long to well, so I apologize for any grammar errors in my haste to respond to your posts.
    (2) the first sign of someone losing an argument on the interwebz is to comment on the opposing posters grammar. So thank you for admitting that your arguments are not logical and that you can’t respond to my posts (also known as “you lose.”)
    (3) I don’t care if your white, red, purple, or orange. Your arguments have no logical argumens and are based SOLEY on emotion. You still have not explained now it is fair that it’s OK for a white hero to change to a black character, but not the other way around.
    (4) why do you hate people that can’t speak Englis? Not Verny progressive of you…
    (4) have a bit of “white guilt” do we? You and I are responsible for our own actions, not those of our ancestors.

  • Johnny

    Its going to SUCK. i can’t stand filmmakers who have no respect for the materials they adapt

  • walt kovacs

    why? big hero 6 seems to be making the lead a white kid, when in the comic he is full asian and no one is complaining

  • cameron

    Who Hiro? He doesn’t look white in the images I’ve seen for the film, he looks like he does in the comics, Asian. Maybe I’ll be annoyed when there is a trailer for the film, but if what you say is true I’m going to be really angry with Disney.

  • dei1c3

    Angry? Heh. OK. Have fun.

  • David Owens

    No matter how they try to pretty this up by claiming artistic license, this whole FF reboot is a load of bull. Someone has handed the reigns of the kingdom to the village idiot, and that idiot is doing one thing: proving they’re a bigger damned idiot than we thought. This will never be the Fantastic Four, heck it isn’t even a good Challengers of the Unknown (DC’s counter to the FF back in the sixties). I started reading comics back in 1965 or thereabouts, and King Kirby’s FF was one you wouldn’t miss. Now, when I read this stuff about the FF movie…I wanna puke. Take your artsitic license and shove it into your negative zone. I won’t be buying this, endorsing it, renting it, or watching it.

  • Annoyed

    Try convincing a disabled person, I’d much rather be a giant rock that can walk and talk and see and smell and feel, some disability super strength and endurance is, poor thing I feel so bad for him… Not. Heck it I’d probably feel less ugly if i was a giant rock as well.

    Please though if you feel any of the fantastic fours fantastic super powers are a disability explain to me why and why you wouldn’t want them compared to say being blind, or having limited mobility? I’d be very interested in a non disabled persons view.

    Unless you are disabled, the. I’d love to know why you wouldn’t swap your disability for Ben Grims.

  • BigJohn

    Having a broken back, a learning disability, being blind, they’re disabilities
    you jackass. Superpowers, at least like the FF’s, are not disabilities.
    He really is a tool.

  • goku

    I’ve loved reading comments,

    To anyone worried about this film I’d just say watch this first http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gFzLMGKtY04

    I can’t wait for the Fantastic Four reboot honest trailer.

    As for Michael B. Jordan as the Human torch, I have no issue with it, look at Dragonball Z, it was so much better with an American high school kid, Fox never ruins films at all and doesn’t have a history of screwing up franchises… Oh wait ;)

    Let’s be honest this film will create an amazing how it should have ended and everything wrong with. Let’s hope the Memes that come out of the film totally make it worth while.

    Looking forward to the next Dragon Ball a reboot so Fox can keep the rights,

    Anyway let’s just enjoy the last one http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jnA4E9H5sDU

    I’m not going to see this film, but I’m still really excited about it and will watch it when it’s free on Netflix

  • lattethunder

    (1) Sure, blame technology for your inability to grasp the subtleties of your native tongue. It’s your damn iPad’s fault that you don’t know the difference between “to” and “too,” or “your” and “you’re,” and don’t the proper placement of periods? The truth is you wasted your parents’ and taxpayers’ money by not paying attention in school.
    (2) You said making Black Panther and Storm white would be no big deal. One’s the king of a nation of indigenous Africans, and the other is a physical manifestation of an African goddess. You really think either would have white skin?
    (3) You also mentioned Cyborg. Aside from the racial terror component to his back story, he’d be much easier to portray as white. Like Johnny Storm, there’s a generic (relatively speaking) quality to his background, and he’s therefore more generically relateable. But there are nonwhite characters who could be/have been portrayed by people of a different ethnicity with no change to what makes them uniquely them. Ra’s al Ghul is a perfect example. Did anybody whine when an Irishman was cast in that role? No.

    (4) Five comes after four.

  • CeeCeeCee

    Would I rather have the abilities of a fictional super hero than be blind or have limited mobility? How am I meant to respond to that?

    The question and the implication inherent in it is kind of insulting to be honest.

  • Annoyed

    More insulting then suggesting superpowers are a disability?

    Just respond to it honestly, personally, yes I would rather be a giant rock monster then have any kind of disability. If I could swap my body with the things I’d do it in a heartbeat. Now maybe not everyone would say that, but I’d trade my disabilities with his super powers any day of the week.

    I find Michael B Jordan’s quotes insulting, sorry if you can’t see why people might find what he said belittling to disabled then sorry.

    It’s like a person I met saying disabilities are not disabilities as they lead to a person developing their other abilities. I just want to say, try it before saying how great they are.

    Anyway I’m not getting into this argument

  • Ben

    Correct. It’s animated so maybe where Walt is getting confused, but the kid is Asian.

  • CeeCeeCee

    “More insulting then suggesting superpowers are a disability?”

    Yeah because super powers aren’t real. Let’s not have this argument because it’s really quite an absurd one.

  • Ben

    It’s actually my IPADs fault because it won’t allow to make any changes on Disqus (plus with the lovely auto correct) comments after the initial submit. When pressing the edit button it won’t allow me to click on a specific error to fix it. I’ll do my best to meet your standards oh Mighty internet grammar wizard.

    You go back to illogical emotional arguments. You lost. And you can’t accept that. It’s ok.

    Ps. I did four twice to see if you’d really be that ridiculous to correct grammar on the interwebz. I was right. When people lose an argument they need to attack their opponent somehow to save face, correcting grammar is the first level. I’m waiting for you to call me a racist to get to the second level,

    You lost kiddo.it’s ok.

  • cmkeller

    That’s not true. The 2005-2007 films might not have been universally beloved, but they certainly are “proper” Fantastic Four movies. The protagonists were very recognizably the comic book heroes, and most of the characterizations and interpersonal dynamics were true to the comics. They could have done better on Doom and Galactus, but I’d hardly consider that a deal-breaker for “properness” as FF movies.

  • Alan

    It’s not that the torch is black. It
    the whole cast that’s going to (doom doom doom) the whole movie.
    None of the people they have chosen could act their way out of a wet
    paper bag. and they are barely out of diapers. And I imagine the
    writers are probably of the same caliber. This movie is gonna be the
    biggest flop of all the super hero movie ever made. But they will try
    to make up for the lack by just having a lot of big explosions and
    blowing every thing up..Its literally gonna be a bomb of sh*t and its
    (doomed doomed doomed) hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ANSYS754

    Now Michael B. Jordan can play Captain America

  • Bradley J. Timm

    Kate Mara was told not to read any of the comics. That’s how serious they are about shitting on the source material.

  • AL

    Grounded should never be coupled with The Fantastic Four. they are one of the most ungrounded super teams in existence. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that based off of your comments that i’ve read that you have never read the fantastic four comics.

  • AL

    you do realize that the old fox kids cartoon is almost exactly like the comics. They adhered to source material.

  • AL

    “Some of the best films have been adaptations that pay very little regard to the work’s they’re based on.”….. Name One.

  • AL

    Found Footage

  • CeeCeeCee

    What I mean is that it did well critically and smashed it at the box office – but now everyone’s acting like it was a disaster of a film, why?

  • CeeCeeCee

    Starship Troopers.

  • CeeCeeCee

    You’d be wrong.

  • AL

    That i don’t know. I actually liked chronicle but i still think that so far FF is shaping up to be a giant steaming pile.

  • AL

    Well if i’m wrong about you reading FF then that’s even worse. That means that you’re a Trank groupie or have no respect for those characters cause anyone that’s actually read FF would not be ok with the info that’s been released about this movie so far.

  • AL

    True, it was a fun movie, not good but fun. But that movie would have been way better and way more of a legit movie instead of just a novelty if they would have followed the book more.

  • AL

    Also The movie wasn’t REALLY based off the book. It was actually based off of an unrelated script called Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine. The guys that wrote it had never heard of the starship troopers book and the guy that made the movie only read a couple of chapters of the book. The novel was optioned well into the pre production of the film.

  • CeeCeeCee

    I dunno, the book was pretty much all about the virtues of serving in the army under a semi totalitarian state. Worse still it managed to be incredibly boring whilst doing so. The film is much better in my opinion.

  • CeeCeeCee

    A Trank Groupie? Come on man, how old are you? No need to insult me because I think a film might be better than you think it will be.

  • AL

    You also gotta take into account that the movie isn’t really based off the book at all, it’s based off of a totally unrelated screen play called Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine. The people that wrote the screen play weren’t even aware of the books existence and the director says he only read a couple chapters of the book. They optioned the use of the book way into pre production of the film. So it’s not really an adaptation of the novel, they kind of just used the tittle and a couple things here and there

  • CeeCeeCee

    I know the history of the book/film adaptation, but having read one and watched the other, it’s fairly clear that a fair few aspects of the book were eventually worked in to the film. The whole thing about voting and being a citizen being one example. It’s not like the name was slapped on once they’d finished filming.

  • AL

    Yeah, but anything they used from the book was put in way after pre production began so it’s not really an adaptation of the book. They just used a few ideas here and there so it doesn’t really count.

  • AL

    How would superhero movies die a quick death if they copy the marvel formula ? The marvel movies are making shitloads of money

  • CeeCeeCee

    How about the film “Adaptation”?

  • AL

    I thought Adaptation was more a story about Kaufman trying to adapt The Orchid Thief into a screen play than it was an adaptation of The Orchid Thief book. That is a good one though.

  • CeeCeeCee

    Great movie

  • you’sajoke

    Shocking. Complainers.

  • Dumdum

    They have to link it to Fantastic Four otherwise the rights might default back to Marvel. But yeah, plenty of handwringing could’ve been avoided had Fox just come out cleanly and told people that they didn’t want to do an FF movie but they also want to retain the rights to the franchise.

  • Dumdum

    Because only those 33k people who bought the recent comic are the only ones who’ve read about the Fantastic Four, right?

  • Dumdum

    I don’t think Marvel gets the rights back simply from underperformance at the box office. Fox has to stop making FF movies altogether or renounce the rights, neither of which would probably happen in some time.

  • Dumdum

    Actually, Johnny Storm’s ego and brashness stem from being born into a position of entitlement as a good-looking white American male. I wouldn’t mind a re-telling of Johnny’s backstory as an African-American (I’m perfectly happy with Miles Morales, Falcon as the new Cap, and the female Thor, among other things), I’m just pointing out about the relative importance of Johnny’s background as it pertains to his persona in the comics.