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‘Terminator Genisys’ Sequels Reportedly ‘on Hold Indefinitely’

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The blockbuster performance of “Terminator Genisys” in China may not be enough to ensure the continuation of the sci-fi franchise.

The Paramount Pictures reboot failed to find an audience in North America, grossing just $89 million amid bad reviews, making the ambitious plans for sequels and a new television series seem like little more than a pipe dream. But then the film opened in China with $27.4 million — the fourth-highest debut for a U.S. film — on its way to a $112 million tally, offering a glimmer of hope for the studio and producers.

But The Hollywood Reporter now indicates that, even with a $440 million worldwide haul, “Terminator Genisys” will still lose money, “and sources say the notion of a ‘Terminator’ universe is on hold indefinitely.”

Although the website doesn’t offer any firm figures, the film had a reported production budget of $150 million or more. Add to that marketing and distribution costs and, well, a $440 million gross starts to look a lot smaller.

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  • Chris

    If a film can’t make money at 440 million everyone should just stop making all films because clearly profit is impossible. What a load of BS.

  • Pennywise

    When are “fans” going to realize that studios have to SHARE the box office with exhibitors (IE – movie theaters)?

    If a movie costs $150 million to make, it’ll have to do at least twice that domestically to turn a profit, especially when you add in marketing fees. Foreign distribution costs even more which means the studio’s cut is even less.

    So yeah, either these “blockbusters” are going to have to literally make close to a billion dollars each or Hollywood will have to find a way to make and market these flicks less expensively.

  • Jon Grasseschi

    I do think we’re nearing the tipping point where the system is going to collapse in on itself … I mean, I get why the system developed. Investing $600 million to get $300 million profit is tempting as hell. But you still need America (where the ticket prices are exorbitant and the potential audience plentiful) to make those numbers, and I think America is starting to get tired of the formula and the studios trying to one-up each other in the level of spectacle is starting to make us numb.

    If that happens, and these huge tentpole event films stop being profitable enough to risk hundreds of millions of dollars on … I honestly don’t know what happens. It’ll lead to a sea change, but I don’t know what it’ll look like.

  • Red_Five_Standing_By

    It was a good movie. Not great but good.

    I think they really messed up by revealing the movie’s twist in the previews.

  • Mike Tanner

    It was still terrible even with the spoiled twist.

  • Red_Five_Standing_By

    I disagree. I enjoyed the film.

    Probably the third best in the franchise.

  • Dan Trudeau

    How about we just let this franchise go to sleep? I can’t be the only one who thinks it’s a bad idea to try to keep things going and going for as long as you can milk anything out of it. This story has been told. Let’s spend some money on new stories.

  • Just Some Guy

    Yea, I enjoyed it a lot actually.

  • Red_Five_Standing_By

    New stories are much more prone to becoming flops. They’re too risky. Retreads, reboots and re-imaginings are much safer.

  • The Fox

    Oh thank God. Paramount ruined the last movie

  • Jeff

    They should make a $40 million conclusion to the series. Strip right down to the basics.

  • Cliff Foster

    That’s not really saying much, considering there’s only been five movies.

  • Red_Five_Standing_By

    Personally, I think all of the Terminator films were enjoyable except the one with Christian Bale.

    Genisys’ placement as #3 makes sense. It was not amazing like the first two and it wasn’t as bad as the other two. It’s middle of the road. Good but not great.

  • misterpl

    This was Terminator: Exodus for me. I walked out thinking, Okay, I’m done. Unless the next film gets rave reviews, I’m out. I enjoyed it just fine but it’s a little too déjà vu for me now.

  • Liam

    This sucks.

  • Thommy Soisson

    I thought it the first mistake was they made it PG-13, when it should’ve been rated R. Second they asked far too many questions on the gamble that the sequels were carved in stone, when they were not. Third, people expected far too much and were not informed properly of these questions would be answered in the following sequels. Basically the studio made a big boner move and the audience didn’t give it a fair chance. Maybe they should have made all three back to back and released them later one at a time.

  • http://www.gobsmackcomics.co.uk Gobsmack Comics

    Another reboot, another failed franchise. Anything after Cameron sucked!

  • Michael Selim

    I watched the movie, and this 150 Million budget was clearly part of their marketing campaign and not true at all. It simply can’t cost that much. You can find a lot more visual effects with much better quality on one episode of any superhero TV show today.

    What marketing budget? The posters look dirt cheap made by teenage fans learning photoshop for the first time in their lives, probably they hired some online freelance designers. The trailers were horrible. So obviously the costs of marketing were minimum.. I’m happy that there are no more sequels soon, because this last one was just recycled garbage. But those costs numbers are absolute lies. They made tons of money from this movie and probably got 90% of their money back from product placements before the movie is released. Those 89 million is guaranteed profit. Add to that the international markets and you will see clearly that they made a lot of money from this movie.

    The problem here is that it will be difficult to get product placements from advertisers after all those bad reviews and weak box office return in U.S market. And today those greedy studios relay on ads in movies and JV deals to cover most of their costs before movies are released. That’s why we see all those garbage movies with high budgets. Because studios don’t care that much anymore about ticket sales, as long as advertisers are supporting the movie.

    So no, the issue here is not that this movie lost money, it made a lot of money. The real issue, is that it will be hard to do that again. Unless they find better material and solid product to sell to advertisers and JV partners. And that won’t probably happen anytime soon.

  • CogInTheWheel

    I couldnt even stand to watch it for free, so this comes as no surprise. Really only ever liked T2 and maybe Salvation, every other movie felt increasingly mediocre.

  • phroZac

    That’s not saying much, when the 3rd and 4th films were pretty bad. The gulf in quality between the first 2 movies and the rest of the franchise is significant.

  • mel

    Making it R wouldn’t brought in more money. Do you really think adding Fbombs and some blood would have made it better movie?

  • K. Reese

    I don’t even think T2 is all that good, If you really break it down, its basically just a shot for shot remake of Terminator with fancier CGI.

  • mfactor

    I haven’t seen it, but after it was said that John Connor was the bad guy in the film no one I know wanted to see it. When the previous ones had him as the focal point and the Terminator as the protector you can’t switch that up. Oh and no one wants to see an old as Arnold playing a terminator. They had got better models.

  • broncsx3

    Someone send a terminator back in time to kill this K. Reese guy.

  • Dan Trudeau

    I understand why they do it, but they’really negating the “safe” factor with their ever-ballooning budgets.

  • JeromeMaida

    Uh, no…It’s not..at ALL!

  • napolis

    It doesn’t have to be twice as much but yeah, it isn’t just the production budget that has to be earned back. Some studios demand 90% of the box office gross in the first two weeks or so of release, particularly for big budget films like Terminator: Genisys or Avengers. In any event, studios don’t split grosses evenly.

    Two other things to keep in mind:
    1) T:G might have grossed $112 million in China, but Chinese law stipulates that only 1/3rd of that can be taken out of the country. So, in terms of revenue, the studio at best got $37 million from China — still nothing to sneeze at, but not a windfall.

    2) T:G might have lost money, but that doesn’t mean Paramount lost money on it. My guess is that one of the reasons why the film is “in the red” is that Paramount is charging itself a large distribution fee against the profits of the film. So if the film cost $150 million to make and another $70 million to market and distribute (total of $220 million), and Paramount saw net revenues of $225 million, the studio could say it lost money even though some of that cost is what the studio is charging itself.

    I would guess the film probably made money, distribution costs aside. But it wasn’t well liked and a sequel would probably cost more but not attract a large audience. The probability of diminishing returns is a more likely problem here than a film being in the red.

  • Wartogh

    I think it was better than 3 and 4, but worst than 2 and 1… I wanted a sequel to see what they would do with the new powers of t-800

  • Sylvia Williams

    The main problem is that this was Cameron’s baby and he should’ve returned to set things straight and then they could’ve moved forward from there. But he doesn’t have the rights back for a few more years. Any true Terminator fan can see this was a confusing piece of garbage and a simple, greedy, studio cash grab movie that thought it was way more clever than it really was. There was no heart or intensity put into this, along with quick, choppy scenes that had no build up. Seeing Arnold return was cool and that was the main selling point and though I love the guy, his popularity has gone way down since his scandal and being Governor. I say, either wait for James Cameron to make a triumphant return and restore this franchise back to it’s former glory or just let it die.

  • Firefly15

    Great! Let this franchise die already…only the first 2 movies are good.

  • Zach Cage

    Exactly, and it is still not done. It could hit 500mil or even more, and NOW everything is on hold? You cannot make a profit from 440mil worldwide and it still hasn’t opened in all markets???? Let’s see, budget was 155mil. So probably a total of 200-210mil with marketing? That is half, correct? US get’s half of the 90mil, so 45mil. Then 20-35% of the domestic, 40% if lucky. So they get about 87mil-122mil depending on contracts. That is 132-167mil in profit. So if it does reach 500mil, they could make a profit, not to mention merchandise, and DVD/BluRay/Digital sales. So they are full of it. Now if it cost 200-250 plus marketing, then yeah, they had a bomb. See, it makes no sense. Star Trek Beyond is being made, even though STID made no money. 250mil to make! 190mil in production and 60mil in marketing. It made 467mil worldwide. That gets a sequel……but Terminator 5 is a failure????

    I wasn’t much of a fan of the 5th one, but Arnold stole the show. HE MAKES THESE FILMS. Would love another with him, with a totally different story, scrap the last timeline.

  • FreeJack

    That’s too bad, because I actually really enjoyed Genisys (surprisingly) and thought it laid some good groundwork. I liked how they handled Arnold’s age as the Terminator and the story actually made sense. It’s a shame.

  • tB

    This is what happens when they cast ‘names’ to throw in with Arnold.. should of got unknowns to play the other roles IMO.

  • BCYa

    Yeah, but T2 had Danny Cooksey!

  • Rene

    Genisys was a fresh start, clearing the burdon of 30 years of franchise rubble. It was a great movie, not good, but great. In this day and age most movies are great, and that’s where it hurts.
    With T1 becoming a cultmovie and T2 toppling that to higher levels, it became more and more difficult to do better.
    When the fanbeloved Sarah Connor Chronicles got nixed by Fox, and Salvation was a big bust, the only logical thing to do was to reboot the entire franchise.
    However, what Star Trek did, Genisys failed on domestically.

    Genisys is still a great movie and a good reboot. The only thing i noticed is that through the years, the T-800 got more and more dialogue. However, not all has to be lost indefinately.

    Why not create a new movie with a smaller (tv-)budget? Why not give Sarah Connor Terminator powers, that get out of control? Why not follow the path to the future, where the SkyNet factory implements a new line of Terminators or Terminatrices and go from there?

    The Terminator franchise with Arnold has come to a close, for better or worse. But the whole Terminator concept, terminators in various shapes and forms, timetravel and an all-out war, but underneath moralistic stories about the human race and humanitiy itself, combined with the current state of technological development is a big enough filmatic universe to explore.

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  • Heartstopper

    The Terminator universe is Terminator 1 and 2. Period.

    Mad Max Fury Road is the anti-Terminator and is proof the the creator’s vision cannot be carried on by hacks and is the essential ingredient to these films. It is not a real Terminator if James Cameron has nothing to do with it.

  • Derrick Quillen

    should never have been rated PG-13 just to sell more tickets.you keep re-telling the terminator story to the younger audience,while alienating the older (“original audience”) by re-telling the terminator story for those not familiar with it.and the PG-13 rating.fans of the original franchise are like 30 or 40..or 50 by now

  • phroZac

    It was the first Terminator movie to put a spin on the original and it did it well. T3 and Genisys do the same, but by now the gimmick is old and tired. Salvation should have been the first of a new trilogy which moved the series to the future and gave us something new. It tried to, but it just wasn’t that good of a movie.

  • Nick Dickens

    Not really a shock is it. Three strikes and they’re out.