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Does ‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ Score Hint at Snoke’s Identity?

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John Williams brilliantly scored “Star Wars: The Force Awakens,” giving each new character a beautiful theme song. He paid tribute to both the original trilogy and the prequels, by weaving in familiar notes and sounds, to bridge the gaps between all three franchises. One thing Williams also did was write a song for the still unrevealed Supreme Leader Snoke. Snoke, who is clearly a Sith Lord, is only seen in holographic form in “The Force Awakens,” much like Emperor Palpatine was seen in “The Empire Strikes Back.”

What’s interesting about Snoke’s theme song, titled “Snoke,” is that it has been used before, in a scene in Episode III “Revenge of the Sith.” As The Nerdist points out, “Snoke” sounds a lot like the song “Palpatine’s Teachings.” In this scene from “Revenge of the Sith”, Senator Palpatine tells Anakin Skywalker about a Sith Lord named Darth Plagueis. Plagueis apparently was the only Sith powerful enough to cheat death.

If Supreme Leader Snoke is a formidable Sith who is bent on wiping out all Jedi in the galaxy, and looks even older than the Emperor (if that’s even possible,) could Snoke really be Darth Plagueis? A lot of theories have been circulating the internet about the Snoke/Plagueis connection, and this deliberate song choice by John Williams could be the strongest clue to back up that theory. Both songs can be heard below and are practically identical.

“Snoke” from “The Force Awakens”

“Palpatine’s Teachings” from “Revenge of the Sith”

“Star Wars: The Force Awakens” is currently in theaters.

(Via The Nerdist)

Comments

  • mel

    I want to read George Lucas’ original vision for this trilogy instead of this watered down drivel. Waiting so many years for a frantic 2hr long action scene of a movie.

  • wtfisdisqusgarbage

    I hear two really quiet tracks with not much going on in them.

  • Ben

    It’s not likely… Darth Sidious killed Plagueis just before he rose to the position of galactic emperor (who was, by the way, his master). It’s in the book “Darth Plagueis”.

  • Maxwell Joseph

    I hope Snoke is an original creation.
    The Force Awakens tie in book indicate that the character has existed since at
    least the clone wars and has trained apprentices before Kylo and has now taken an interest in the Skywalker bloodline. Maybe Plagueis?
    One idea that existed in the old continuity and still exists in the new canon is that the Emperor was always trying to replace Vader. My theory is that Snoke was considered a worthy replacement by Sidious but when Vader learned of this he faced Snoke and fought him leading to Snokes disfigurement. Snoke has now emerged with both the Emperor and Vader dead and is taking revenge against the descendants of Vader, both Kylo and Luke for humiliation he suffered.

  • Rollo Tomassi

    All of the Expanded Universe, with the exception of Clone Wars and Rebels cartoons, got tossed.
    So there’s no point in citing any of it anymore.

  • Scott Gregson

    This I like. Connected to the old, but still new. And the replacing Vader thing is totally in Sidious’ whee;house since he replaced Maul and Tyrannus/Vader relatively quickly. He’d be kinda wary of his apprentices rising up and defeating him, since… you know… he did exactly that to his master. And he was hell bent on Luke becoming his new apprentice. I hope Rian Johnson is thinking along the same lines.

  • PretenderNx01

    In it, everybody who is a fan favorite in the EU is actually just a clone of some new character. There’s a cgi character that is influenced by Jaxxon eve though GL hated Jaxxon. And there’s lots of blue screen and green screen and talking.

    Ironically, there’s still another Death Star. :p

  • PretenderNx01

    In it, everybody who is a fan favorite in the EU is actually just a clone of some new character. There’s a cgi character that is influenced by Jaxxon eve though GL hated Jaxxon. And there’s lots of blue screen and green screen and talking.

    Ironically, there’s still another Death Star. :p

  • Maxwell Joseph

    Thanks. Imagine your revenge being using the grandchild of the man who wronged you to kill the child of the man who wronged you. I do hope Rian Johnson is thinking along those lines as well.

  • Wobag

    I think he is old, very old. If they are bandying around that Maz has been around for 1000 years and doesnt look any where near as crusty as Snoke, I suspect he is ancient, really ancient, like one of if not the very first Sith. Possibly so old he cant exist outside of a Sith temple that sustains him. He may not even be able to get off his throne. They seem particularly eager to not reference the prequels, so I think thats another reason not to tie it in to Palpetine’s early history. Also if he is old enough to pre-date the “there are always two” structure of Sith, that frees him and consequently the film series form having to follow it, and you can have a bunch of Darkside users like the Knights of Ren without being tied to retreading the master and apprentice cliche.

  • Ben

    play them both at the same time.

  • The_Livewire

    Hmm, wasn’t it the force ghost of Plagius that Yoda encountered in Clone Wars? So he is still ‘on the board’ as it were.

  • DisneyPadawan

    Hes not Citing EU. Palpatine says this exact thing in Ep 3. Plagueis himself is still canon even if most of his backstory isn’t.

  • Pohatu5

    Who is the Jaxxon analog?

  • DisneyPadawan

    Yes because he is mentioned in EP 3.

  • Pohatu5

    John Williams, as good as he is, sometimes sorta reuses stuff. Does the similarity between the Indiana Jones theme and the Super Man theme suggest that Mild Mannered Henry Jones is secretly the tomb-robbing alien Kal-el?

  • movie_monkey

    That’s not completely true. As a general rule, yes the EU got tossed, but they said creators can (and will) cherry pick from the EU to fit their story. Kind of like how DC recognizes some things from pre-52.

  • Alex W

    If you’re talking about the last episode when he went to Dagobah, that was Darth Bane (voiced by Hamill no less).

  • Alex W

    If you’re talking about the last episode when he went to Dagobah, that was Darth Bane (voiced by Hamill no less).

  • JMMagwood

    Those themes are not remotely similar.

  • John Pound

    Disney already said that the content can still stand and isn’t all trash.

  • Boomstick

    It’s a quiet track and not particularly a memorable one at that. It’s possible that it’s the same track for a reason, but it’s also likely that John Williams got lazy and re-used the same theme.

  • hoopatroopa

    This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever read.

  • Pohatu5

    I can’t find the link right now, but the Nostalgia Critic compared them at one point and showed they were more similar than you might realize.
    Edit: found the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnlybkDjTpE

  • YES YES YES NO NO NO

    It’s probably a good thing JJ isn’t attached to closely with episode VIII. As we saw from Star Trek Into Darkness and TFA, he tends to lean to heavily on copying past ideas.
    Yeah, TFA is not original enough, but VIII will need to be. It’s can’t be “The First Order Strikes Back or there will be backlash up the ying yang.

  • General Kreeg

    There are no Sith. Anakin fulfilled the prophecy & destroyed the
    Sith. Snoke is not a Sith. Plagueis is dead. Snoke is not a Muun. Plagueis he couldn’t re-animate himself once he was dead! Cheating death means keeping yourself from dying, not resurrecting yourself after your already dead!

  • General Kreeg

    He basically said as much in the movie.

  • General Kreeg

    Exactly. Some fans just hate change & must love the Rule of Two. Which limits writers if only two Sith can live at a time. Now they are free to have many Darksiders.

  • ZeoVGM

    What absolute nonsense. That “long action scene” has clearly had a FAR better reaction than the prequels, which were both boring AND the a drivel you say this movie is.

  • ZeoVGM

    What absolute nonsense. That “long action scene” has clearly had a FAR better reaction than the prequels, which were both boring AND the a drivel you say this movie is.

  • mel

    When you make a sequel to a movie, you add to it with new ideas. The prequels had their problems but those movies are pure world building. So much new stuff. Even the originals added new stuff with each episode. What does this new movie offer?
    It actually goes backwards. Han Solo was a general for the rebellion, a hero, but now he’s a swindler again. Luke did so much in the OT but, now one of his students goes rogue and he hides away hoping the problem solves itself.
    What bullshit.
    If this was a Michael Bay movie people would be calling BS, but since it’s nostalgic….

    If you like it, that’s fine. I just consider it a wasted opportunity.

  • sartt

    The Sith shall restore…PEACE…

  • Maxwell Joseph

    I don’t think Maz’s age is an indication of anything important. Yoda was 900 years old, Chewbacca is a couple hundred years old himself. The various alien races age differently so I wouldn’t pay much attention to appearance. Personally I think Snoke looks more scared and disfigured than “crusty”. One thing that is still canon is the clone wars tv series. We did see some form of Darth Bane that explained that all the other sith died due to infighting while he alone survived and established the rule of two. A lot of people talk about how Disney isn’t referencing the prequels, and while that may be true in TFA it isn’t true for the expanded material. The Journey to The Force Awakens comic references the prequels, as do most of the other Star Wars comics and the Star Wars Rebels tv series. The only real reference to anything ancient in TFA is that Luke was looking for the first Jedi temple.

  • DW

    You don’t like the movie, cool. But at least be impartial about it. If you don’t consider this movie a massive step up from any of the prequels, your opinion is automatically invalid.

  • DW

    You don’t like the movie, cool. But at least be impartial about it. If you don’t consider this movie a massive step up from any of the prequels, your opinion is automatically invalid.

  • lolwate

    I hated it as well, too redundant and familiar, no new ideas whatsoever. If you do like it then fine, but be impartial. And no, you do not have the right to invalidate anybodies opinion, PERIOD!

  • lolwate

    Redundant and boring. Better than the prequels but by only a hair.

  • Sean

    John Williams is never that lazy with his scores. He is a true artist and a genius. If he is reusing music, there is a reason.

  • Sean

    exactly. Keeping yourself from dying. That could mean a lot of things. He could have had such an understanding of the force that he was able to keep himself alive as something as small as a living consciousness within the force, waiting for a time to reassert himself into physical form. Or it could have even taken this long to even have the strength to reconstitute himself. We don’t know. It wouldn’t be the first time a fantasy story (and yes, this is space fantasy. let’s not kid ourselves into thinking Star Wars is science fiction. Science Fiction requires at least some aspects of real science. Star Wars is long past the point of being Science Fiction). I know they’re completely different in every way, but two examples of this in fantasy-style stories are Voldemort and Sauron. Both are powerful evil characters that were able to cheat death and remain in a non-physical form for many years. There is no reason to completely snub that possibility just because this is Star Wars. The Force has always been just as mystical a concept as magic, which is what is used in other fantasy stories to accomplish just that. So, since the Force is basically the Star Wars, space version of magic, it is completely possible that he was “destroyed/killed” by Sidious and then was able to use the power of the Force to maintain his life-force until he could come back into physical form. Also, Leia said that Snoke influenced Ben to the dark side. She didn’t say how. As in, how could he have had contact with a Sith Lord while in the Jedi Academy being trained by Luke? Snoke had some way of getting in contact with him. It is possible that Plagueis was still without physical form within the force itself, able to saturate the consciousness of an emotional force-sensitive boy with a connection to Anakin and Luke Skywalker, part of the lineage that was supposed to bring balance to the Force. While in this non-physical form, he would have had the ability to influence Ben’s psyche, maybe even making him believe that he was speaking to his dead grandfather through his helmet (as he does in the movie). He used this influence to push Ben to the Dark Side and perform some action that helped him gain the strength to return to physical form. It may be that the reason we saw him has a giant holographic projection is because his current physical form is still broken and not very intimidating. Therefore, instead of revealing his true form, he has projected a massive image to appear more powerful than he physically is at this point. I know that’s a lot, but it’s one possibility.

  • http://www.cogonline.net/ Digital Jedi

    Not to mention, “all of the EU” wasn’t de-canonized. The whole point of resting elements of the EU was to start a new canon EU. The new stuff is all canon.

  • Viroro

    Jar Jar Jaxxon?

  • Viroro

    Thing is, after the prequels, Disney needed to give fans solid proof they ‘get’ Star Wars. They needed them to be less wary and know the franchise was in good hands. That’s why The Force Awakens recycles many story beats and besides one specific franchise-shattering event, it doesn’t do anything truly revolutionary: this is as much Episode VII as ‘Disney Star Wars demo reel’. I agree with you that now that they got most of the audience’s trust back they can be perfectly free to do their own thing instead of giving us a remix of the classic trilogy, though.

  • Amber

    Has anyone forgotten the Rule of Two? You can’t have two active Sith masters at one time. Therefore it is quite possible that Plageius isn’t actually dead and only recruited a new apprentice after sidious and Vader were killed?

  • StarshipTrooper

    The Rule of Two is still canon, to my knowledge, as it was referenced in the prequels.

  • StarshipTrooper

    Don’t forget that Vader wanted to Luke to join him in overthrowing the Emperor, though. Power struggles among the Sith tend to go both ways, leading to an uneasy alliance between master and apprentice. That’s why I kinda like the Plagueis theory, because it allows a third Sith to remain “dormant,” which wouldn’t interfere with the rule of two, and one could say he simply brought himself back from the force once he became powerful enough.

  • StarshipTrooper

    First off, it was Luke who redeemed the father and brought balance back to the force. Second, Qui-Gon Jiin more or less retained a consciousness after death, as referenced in Episode 3 and the Clone Wars, so it’s not outside the realm of possibility that a jedi or sith could learn such an ability.

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  • General Kreeg

    But are there anymore Sith left? These Knights of Ren aren’t. And Snoke maybe a Darksider from another universe . Who doesn’t follow the rule of two.

  • Boomstick

    I’d generally agree, but in this case I’m not so sure.

  • Kaihaku

    “Snoke, who is clearly a Sith Lord…”

    It’s not so clear to me and that gives me some hope… I really don’t want him to be just another Sith Lord. It’s time for a new Dark Side threat that isn’t bound by the conventions of the Sith. It would make things a lot more interesting if we didn’t know what the big bad evil guy was really after until the third movie in the trilogy.

  • Nicholas Perry

    I noticed this on my listen through the soundtrack in the car.

    I hope it’s not true though. Simply because they took an interesting appearance of Plageius from being a unique looking Munn to generic hollywood evil non-human #5

  • Nicholas Perry

    I noticed this on my listen through the soundtrack in the car.

    I hope it’s not true though. Simply because they took an interesting appearance of Plageius from being a unique looking Munn to generic hollywood evil non-human #5