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J.J. Abrams Addresses ‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens” Similarities to ‘A New Hope’

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Now that “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” has been in theaters for about three weeks, some critics have pointed out the film’s strong parallels to 1977’s original “Star Wars” film. During an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, director J.J. Abrams addressed the concern that “The Force Awakens” relied a little too heavily on “A New Hope” and explained not only the universality of those conventions, but also how they benefited the franchise’s newest characters.

“It was obviously a wildly intentional thing that we go backwards, in some ways, to go forwards in the important ways, given that… ‘Star Wars’ is a kind of specific gorgeous concoction of George [Lucas]’s that combines all sorts of things,” Abrams explained. “Ultimately, the structure of ‘Star Wars’ itself is as classic and tried and true as you can get. It was itself derivative of all of these things that George loved so much, from the most obvious, ‘Flash Gordon’ and Joseph Campbell, to the [Akira] Kurosawa references, to Westerns — I mean, all of these elements were part of what made ‘Star Wars.'”

“I can understand that someone might say, ‘Oh, it’s a complete rip-off!’ We inherited ‘Star Wars.’ The story of history repeating itself was, I believe, an obvious and intentional thing, and the structure of meeting a character who comes from a nowhere desert and discovers that she has a power within her, where the bad guys have a weapon that is destructive but that ends up being destroyed — those simple tenets are by far the least important aspects of this movie, and they provide bones that were well-proven long before they were used in ‘Star Wars,'” he continued.

“What was important for me was introducing brand new characters using relationships that were embracing the history that we know to tell a story that is new — to go backwards to go forwards,” he shared. “So I understand that this movie, I would argue much more than the ones that follow, needed to take a couple of steps backwards into very familiar terrain, and using a structure of nobodies becoming somebodies defeating the baddies — which is, again, I would argue, not a brand new concept, admittedly — but use that to do, I think, a far more important thing, which is introduce this young woman, who’s a character we’ve not seen before and who has a story we have not seen before, meeting the first Storm Trooper we’ve ever seen who we get to know as a human being; to see the two of them have an adventure in a way that no one has had yet, with Han Solo; to see those characters go to find someone who is a brand new character who, yes, may be diminutive, but is as far from Yoda as I think a description of a character can get, who gets to enlighten almost the way a wonderful older teacher or grandparent or great-aunt might, you know, something that is confirming a kind of belief system that is rejected by the main character; and to tell a story of being a parent and being a child and the struggles that that entails — clearly ‘Star Wars’ has always been a familial story, but never in the way that we’ve told here.”

“And yes, they destroy a weapon at the end of this movie, but then something else happens which is, I think, far more critical and far more important — and I think even in that moment, when that is happening, the thing I think the audience is focused on and cares more about is not, ‘Is that big planet gonna blow up?’ — ’cause we all know it’s gonna blow up. What you really care about is what’s gonna happen in the forest between these two characters who are now alone,” he added.

Directed by J.J. Abrams, “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” stars franchise veterans Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Peter Mayhew, Anthony Daniels and Kenny Baker, joined by newcomers John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, Lupita Nyong’o, Gwendoline Christie and Max von Sydow. The film is now playing in theaters.

Comments

  • Ammon

    Biggest load of BS I’ve ever heard. We had to go backward to go forward. So disappointed in what JJ did with Episode 7. But I shouldn’t be surprised based on his Star Trek films. He is the king of cheap fan service an unoriginal content.

  • mel

    Star Trek 2009 had this same structure and story beats.

  • http://astronerdboy.blogspot.com/ AstroNerdBoy

    What I really hated was the fact that on Planet X in the galaxy, you could look up in the daytime sky and see planets in a solar system light years away are being destroyed in real time (’cause exploding planets light years away can be seen the very second it is destroyed, not however many years it would take the light of said explosion to get there).

  • Ben Phillips

    …JJ…Come on now.

  • Davi Viana

    In the book that is better explained. The beam warps to lightspeed.

  • kilgoretrout56

    I dunno… He CHANGED the Star Trek universe. He REMADE note for note the first Star Wars movie.

  • J.p. Ducey

    LOL. Well that settles that. JJ just admitted it. And as I’ve said before, he’s having to do way too much explaining about this movie after the fact. Before I anyone tries to get into an internet war with me, I liked TFW. I give it a 7outof10. But I didn’t find it to be better than the original trilogy.

  • drwiley00

    Again with a bunch of people that can’t tell the difference between plot beats and story beats.

  • Ransak Teh Elder

    Well if the whole planet destroying weapon was supposed to be no big deal why did they do it? Is he admitting no one has any fresh ideas because I am pretty sure thats not true. Why not just have it as a weapon that eats suns and inevitably the system would die. They should of blown up Naboo so we could all live comfortably knowing that jar jar and the gungans will never return.

  • Ammon

    Are you seriously trying to defend the unoriginality of Episode 7 by saying it was just copying story beats and not plot beats? TFW awakens also copied at least 6 quotes from the original trilogy. Most people bag on Lucas for episode 1-3 but at least he brought something new to the universe.

  • drwiley00

    No. It copied plot beats nut story beats. That’s plain to see. A New Hope didn’t tell the story of a female hero that came to grips with the Force, frees herself from confinement and fights the main villain. Nor did it tell the story of a Stormtrooper that was escaping his past and joining the Resistance. Nor did it feature a villain that was impetuous and flawed who had to perform a major sacrifice to prove himself.

    I fully acknowledge that the movie used plot beats from A New Hope: the key use of a droid, a rescue mission to save the princess, and a mission to destroy the super weapon. But the story and character beats are completely different. The princess doesn’t actually need saving. The protagonist from the desert does not destroy the super weapon.

    And did you really criticize it for using quotes? Have you not watched any Star Wars films? They all do that.

    And screw new for the sake of new. New is worthless if it’s garbage.

  • The Dread Pirate Steve #812

    To recapture the good will the prequels cost the franchise, TFA had to go back to the original movie to some extent…

  • Catalyst

    It’s called parallelism people. It’s been used in literature for hundreds of years. Frodo and Bilbo is probably the best one; the Ring, Sting, Gandalf, Rivendell, a great journey. Writers do it all the time, and since film utilizes similar structures it makes sense.

  • R de Rumbo

    Ok, among all the scientifically inacurate things that all the star wars films have, you are complaining about the most trivial one… Seems legit. What’s next? Complaining about sound in space? Maybe about lightsabers not having an infinite blade and burning the entire atmosphere when turned on?? Force not having a scientific basis like an organism living in all the cells? Oh wait…

    C’mon people!! just… c’mon!

  • mel

    midichlorians are inspired by mitochondria,
    lightsabers are plasma.

  • enmukeeenmukee

    Ok, Mr Abrams, so you can spin a pig into a lion, and now that you have made enough money riding the coattails of George Lucas, how about making some original movies for the new generation for a change?

  • Nite_Owl

    Isn’t remaking movies using old scripts and modern CGI kinda his thing?

  • Douglas Paul

    I liked it for the very fact that it had a style similar to the original. Good work Abrams and everyone involved.

  • penguintruth

    He doesn’t have to defend anything. Anyone with a brain can see that the copied plot beats were intentional parallels, but the narrative and character interactions went in different directions and it was its own creative product. People think they’re so clever for dismissing the movie as “a remake of the original”. No, it isn’t.

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  • http://adventuringthroughgames.siterubix.com Jonathan Davies

    Really? Tell me again where exactly the original Star Wars movie features a Stormtrooper who turns traitor.

  • DarkTrooper

    I tried to guess what points Abrams would hit on before I read the article, and he hit the nail on the head. The Hero’s Journey is the Hero’s Journey, and whether we feel we’ve become too familiar with it at this point, we must still admit that it resonates in the way it always has, and is thus an intrinsic reminder of a “Call to Adventure” from the monotony of our everyday lives. Can it be elaborated, nuanced in some ways, yes, but look at any sci-fi/fantasy franchise – hell, look at the greatest films of all time – the core has and will remain the same.

  • DarkTrooper

    Did anyone? No one’s really saying it’s surpassed ANH or Empire. But it’s sure a nice breath of fresh air, and gets people pumped for what the future holds.

  • shaunn

    Yeah, this really bothered me a lot too. I think out of all the SW movies, this was the most obviously, egregiously scientifically inaccurate thing that the films ever did. It just made no sense and completely contradicted the internal logic of the series. After all, the SW universe is built around the idea that this is a galactic empire with starships traveling across light years. There was no possible way that the destruction of the Republic planets in another solar system would have been visible in real time – it would have taken years before those explosions were visible from another system, if they could have been visible at all. Really, really dumb. It kind of took me out of the movie, it was so dumb.

  • Let’sBeFriends

    Exactly.

  • Let’sBeFriends

    You didn’t watch Super 8 then?

  • Lccf

    The movie went backwards “much more than the ones that follow”, eh ? Assuming he’s not lying through his teeth, there’s hope for VIII and IX yet ! ( Lukewarm as my reaction to VII was, I’m still eager to watch Luke train Rey, and see his teacher’s methods and how much they owe, or don’t, to Obi-Wan’s and Yoda’s, and see how Rey deals with the inevitable pull of the dark side. )
    I agree that the characters, mostly Finn and Kylo Ren, felt fresh, but come on ! I’m all for parallels ( the Rey/Ren rematch will probably have some elements of the Cloud City duel, but hopefully with a twist ) , but yeah, that was just too much.

  • Lccf

    As far as mega-weapons go, that “galactic gun” the “Dark Empire” comics series had, for instance, would have felt slightly more original than just another Death Star … But I like your idea of targetting the suns : a weapon that turns them into supernovae / black holes would have been terrifying !
    Anyway, Starkiller’s problem wasn’t just only the ripping off the Death Star, but the way it was handled. If you compare Alderaan’s destruction to the Senate’s … the latter just happens too fast, with barely a reaction from the main characters, it just lacks the emotional weight of Leia losing her homeworld. And when Starkiller targets the Resistance, you just don’t ( I didn’t, anyway ) feel the danger the same way you felt it for the Yavin base.
    As you say, the interview suggests Starkiller was little more than an afterthought …

  • nelle_tz

    New Star Wars is completely ripoff of A New Hope. Check these facts! https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2999/4112/original.jpg?w=600&h

  • HulkSmash666

    I pretty much saw “The Force Awakens” as being almost identical to “A New Hope”, only with 4-5 different or new ideas slotted into the story along with today’s CGI and filming techniques to polish it up for today’s audiences. Don’t get me wrong, I liked the movie, but I remember feeling after I watched it that it was soooooo similar in almost every aspect of the story to the first movie that I was kinda left feeling jipped. I didn’t see anything revolutionary in this film that would make it stand the test of time like the original has.

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  • JuneBug81

    I love the throwbacks. I love the nostalgia. I love the echos. If they had ONLY done that, THEN I would be disappointed. They didn’t. They did all of that and gave me all of the nostalgic callbacks I could hope for, WHILE ALSO introducing compelling new characters that I already care infinitely more about and want to learn more about the histories of than anyone in the prequels.

    Including one of the most interesting villains I’ve ever seen for my money.

    Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but for me, they almost completely nailed it. And the majority of critics and moviegoers on every aggregate site out there seem to concur for the most part.

    The movie wasn’t perfect. But it did nearly everything I wanted, and surprised me by giving me things I didn’t realize I needed in a Star Wars story. It was also emotional. Very emotional, to a surprising degree, which for me enhanced the experience by leaps and bounds.

  • JuneBug81

    It’s science fiction (more like fantasy set in space, really.) It’s not going to be 100% (or at all for that matter) logical to real world physics.

    In the novellization it is explained that the weapon uses quintessence (yes, literally) which it “fires” in a beam “through sub-hyperspace,” “bypassing space and time,” to instantaneously arrive at its target, converting the targeted planet into a new star instantly, leaving behind a binary star system where before there was a star with orbiting planets.

    Yes, it should take time for the light of said new star to be visible. But whatchagonna do.

    Star Trek’s transporters wouldn’t work in reality either. They even tacitly acknowledge this through the inclusion of a “Heisenberg Compensator” lol.

    Star Wars = magical, fantastical escapism. As it should be imo.

  • Ratpack223

    JJ Abrams is only good for the first 20 minutes of a movie, the rest is usually crap.

  • CogInTheWheel

    I understood his reasons for the familiar story sections completely, history repeats itself in real life all the time. Adding some of that to the StarWars mythos while the plot takes some nice twists and turns really is the best way to approach a comeback to one of the biggest sci-fi movie franchises of all time. Especially after the complete crap that was the prequel trilogy.

    Frankly, the folks crying foul need to get their A.D.D. in check or just stick to watching CliffNote versions of movies from here on out. Tiny little bite-sized snippets that their small brains can (hopefully) retain the memory of long enough to understand. Or they could continue crying while actually defending the godawful prequels, as if that proves anything other than an extremely bad taste in movies.

  • R de Rumbo

    So…?

  • R de Rumbo

    WTF. At this point I REALLY think that people complaining about science in Star Wars are the ones who knows less about science… I mean… They have traveled at light speed thousands of times, but nobody complains about the time dilation. Why?? Why seeing an energy beam is so much different??

  • conor

    It’s a fantasy film featuring people who have telepathy and telekinisis? Did you go into it expecting a documentary?

  • shaunn

    This kind of misses the point. Every fantasy has an internal logic and consistency. To this point, SW had employed an internal logic that, at the least, seemed to acknowledge that there is such a thing as the speed of light and that there are different planets orbiting different stars. Once you accept that, then the idea that you can see a planet exploding, in real time, from a totally different star system completely shatters the internal logic. Yes, there are lots of fantasy elements in SW that probably violate all kinds of scientific principles (such as sound in space) but this is the first time that it has simply dismissed the idea of the speed of light.

  • shaunn

    I’m not talking about seeing the beam of light. That is weird but at least explicable within the context of it being some kind of “hyperlight” weapon. I’m talking about seeing the planets explode.

  • Brendan Rowland

    So you are a prequel hater and that the trouble with this film it only caterers for the original films fans. There are a lot of prequal fans than and there are. So Goerge change the story from Luke to Vader get ove it, did you not want to see Yoda use his powers or not. I love the prequels as well as the originals there are all Star Wars films. Now this is a new chapter I liked a lot the Star Wars TFA but JJ Abrams only catered for the originals fans as was apparent by the opening lines, the next film needs more of the prequels and ordinal fans together.

  • kw

    This is the longest run on sentence I have ever seen….. So I understand that this movie, I would argue much more than the ones that follow, needed to take a couple of steps backwards into very familiar terrain, and using a structure of nobodies becoming somebodies defeating the baddies — which is, again, I would argue, not a brand new concept, admittedly — but use that to do, I think, a far more important thing, which is introduce this young woman, who’s a character we’ve not seen before and who has a story we have not seen before, meeting the first Storm Trooper we’ve ever seen who we get to know as a human being; to see the two of them have an adventure in a way that no one has had yet, with Han Solo; to see those characters go to find someone who is a brand new character who, yes, may be diminutive, but is as far from Yoda as I think a description of a character can get, who gets to enlighten almost the way a wonderful older teacher or grandparent or great-aunt might, you know, something that is confirming a kind of belief system that is rejected by the main character; and to tell a story of being a parent and being a child and the struggles that that entails — clearly ‘Star Wars’ has always been a familial story, but never in the way that we’ve told here.”

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  • J. Sheffield

    He really needs to stop trying to explain his Trek and now Star Wars films. They are critically acclaimed and made tons of money. So what the whiny fanboy train moans and groans. Get over it. You are an idiot if you can’t see that there it was intentionally done.

  • R de Rumbo

    It’s really the same thing. That and coming back from hyper-space and not being centuries later than when you part away. If you accept one of those time dilation things, you have to accept all of them.

  • Anakin Patterson

    The storyline of SW4 is smiliar to the SW7 – the newest SW movie. But the SW7 successfully got $1.5+ billion.
    http://thousandmovies.xyz/star-wars-toys-from-tcsshop/

  • Otto Andersson

    Jj movies are always safe cash ins that never stand out. Plus the America franchised outsourced to England which is a big no-no. This is a pirate Bay title for me.

  • Ksera

    I just saw a leaked script for Episode VIII online. It goes like this: The 1st Order chases the Resistance to a frost planet b/c Kylo is obsessed with finding Rey. Rey gets attacked by a frost monster, then she gets saved by Finn. There is a huge battle when the 1st Order arrives, then Rey escapes with BB8 to a bayou planet to get Jedi training from Maz Kanata while Finn and Chewie escape with Leia on the Falcon. Kylo chases Finn, Chewie, and Leia through some comets but our heroic trio proves too elusive. So, Kylo grows a clone tracker named Ognaj Ttef to find them. They end up finding a fog-city that is run by Finn’s long-lost-friend named Odnal. While training on the bayou planet with Maz, Rey gets hallucinations of her friends being in trouble and she feels compelled to fly to Fog City despite objections by Maz and the ghost of Han Solo. Upon arriving at Fog City, Rey discovers that Kylo has been waiting for her all along, and that Ognaj Ttef has captured Finn and sealed him in a tube of Tatooine-blue-milk. Kylo and Rey fight, then Kylo tells Rey that he is her (spoiler). Upon the shocking discovery, Rey gives up and falls down a huge tunnel, only to be spit out the bottom and saved by Chewie, and Leia. The movie ends with Chewie and Rey promising Leia that they will track down Finn, who has been taken to Abbaj the Hutt for payment – setting up Episode IX: A Jedi Homecoming. Pretty cool…

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  • mikebillyjeff

    Now with the Internet everyone hates everything that is popular. It’s okay to have an opinion on a film but many treat, even argue that their opinion is fact. I long for the days when it was word of mouth and the local news or Siskel & Ebert that were the only sources of a film’s review other than ones own. Having said that here’s a dispacable shameless hypocritical plug for my review of the film. http://youtu.be/n_Kcm0u0uWw

  • mikebillyjeff

    Plus sound being in space

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  • chai xiong

    “Parallels” That’s a gentle way of putting it. I’d say it was a rip off. I mean, he could have gone anywhere with the story but he chose to direct a New Hope. What I got from his excuse was “it was a good story, why not tell it twice, but with different characters.” I should add that I did enjoy the movie regardless.

  • Kelly

    J.J. emulating the scene where a lead character dressed as a Stormtrooper coming in to save the captured and tortured Resistance fighter/leader is what they’re referring to.
    Then add poor storytelling and inconsistency to Finn, who left to do “the right thing” yet kills a dozen of his Stormtrooper brethren without a second thought.

    J.J. Abrams is a hack.

  • Kelly

    It’s not trivial. It’s flat-out stupid. Every 5th grader knows you can’t watch planets getting destroyed in real time in a different galaxy during tea time. That was just too dumb.
    Let’s not even talk about what happened to all the mass of the sun the Star Destroyer was absorbing.

  • DutchS

    Worst problem is the rehash of the Death Star. There are a ton of ways to destroy a planet that are less ridiculous and more sinister. Inexorably melting the crust like in Ender’s Game. Generating a solar flare that fries the planet. Turning the atmosphere toxic or removing it (a bit more plausibly than in Spaceballs, if you please). Smack it with a large asteroid. Bathe it in gamma radiation.

  • DutchS

    Any luck shopping your own scripts around?

  • evanl0rd

    Absolutely. And considering this is not a standalone movie, but the beginning of a third trilogy, I think it’s brilliant to use the first movie to anchor the new to the best of the old. Whether or not you think this is a rip-off of ANH, or a new movie built on the framework established by ANH, no one can credibly argue this movie is not what Star Wars is supposed to be. The prequel trilogy demonstrated specifically what Star Wars should never be… Nostalgia is a powerful force; I personally am a sucker for it, so I loved what Abrams did. Everything in this movie was immediately canon to me; I talk to my son about Kylo Ren and Finn the same way I would talk to him about Darth Vader and Han Solo. I still struggle to utter the names Jar Jar Binks and Padme Amidala; they don’t seem legitimate… Abrams masterfully established a solid platform with TFA on which he will be able to exercise a more creative approach in developing the next two films. And that’s where he should be judged; if he creates an Episode VIII that’s a direct analogue to TESB, we’ll know all of this criticism has merit. But I don’t think that’s what we’re going to see…

  • evanl0rd

    And we also know a Corellian YT-1300 light freighter could never actually make the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs ( http://www.wired.com/2013/02/kessel-run-12-parsecs/ )… That’s just absurd. But we don’t complain about that. Why? It’s called suspension of disbelief, and we employ it in virtually every sci-fi and fantasy movie we watch or book we read. So to pick and choose which of the myriad implausibilities we complain about is asinine.

  • evanl0rd

    No, that doesn’t miss the point. The point is you’re splitting hairs. The internal logic of SW includes the ability for objects to move faster than the speed of light. A beam of energy/light/whatever traveling faster than the speed of light is completely consistent. The light resulting from an explosion caused by that beam also traveling faster than the speed of light is also consistent.

  • enmukeeenmukee

    Super 8 had a great 1st half and then fell flat in the 2nd half. It was a fun movie but there was nothing great or original about it. It was an attempt to ape retro Spielberg movies.

  • evanl0rd

    I’ll take 40-year-old gold over George Lucas’s fresh bowel movement any day of the week.

  • Alexander Golmen Berg

    The problem is, things like that are breaking the suspension of disbelief. Moste of the other things, that we do accept, have an in-universe explanation. The beam going FTL is ok, but the exploding planets beeing seen from another planet in real time, has no explanation

  • evanl0rd

    It took me about ten years to recently force myself to watch the prequel trilogy again. And I only did it because my son is now of an age at which he’s interested in Star Wars. I made it a point to watch the original trilogy first, then the prequel trilogy, then the original trilogy again. I would consider it child abuse to make a kid’s first exposure to Star Wars be the prequel trilogy.

    In any event, the prequel trilogy wasn’t quite as bad as I remember it. That said, it was still crap. I reluctantly accept it as SW canon despite all my better instincts. Abrams stayed as far from that as possible, and for good reason. I wouldn’t hold my breath for any elements of the prequels showing up in the new movies.

  • Smarf

    The Star Destroyer ship didn’t absorb the sun, it was an entire planet that was turned into a weapon. It was also called Starkiller…

  • Let’sBeFriends

    Well it wasn’t an established property or franchise and was an original script so I was sure it fit the requirements. I quite liked it actually, but what’s great or not is a bit subjective.
    Generally though I think you’ll find there’s not much at the cinema or media in general for that matter which isn’t inspired by something – some just wear their hearts on their sleeves a bit more freely. If homages or inspirations are a sign of unoriginality, what could be considered “original” is whittled down to a very very short list.

  • Tom

    The concept that they “had to go backward to move forward” is ridiculous. This is an unabashed copout. The obvious truth is they played it safe, way too safe. The Star Wars universe is incredibly expansive and full of limitless creative possibilities. This saga could have gone in any number of new, interesting directions and they re-hashed everything. The lamest move they could have made. Lucas should have been a story consultant at least. Perhaps they could have gone in a more daring direction that would have satisfied old fans and invited newcomers to enjoy this fantastic universe/saga.
    Also, I keep seeing this “interesting new characters” comment from the filmmaker and fans. Someone please explain to me what is intriguing, fresh, new etc. about any of these TFA characters? Dessert dwelling orphan with surprise mystical abilities, former Stormtrooper who inexplicably snaps out of life long conditioning to become a joke cracking buffoon, an ace pilot who “flies X-wings good”, temper tantrum throwing emo Sith lord wannabe…what am I not seeing?????

  • Jarnunvosk

    When Finn says he broke Poe out “to do the right thing,” Poe immediately calls him on his bullshit and says, “You need a pilot.” Finn then admits it: “I need a pilot.” The movie makes it clear right there that Finn is not breaking Poe out simoly because it’s the right thing to do. So there is no inconsistency there.

  • Nimrod

    First Star Trek film was awesome. Totally original. I got no beef with that.
    Second Star Trek , not so good. Rehash of Wrath of Kahn. What did he do , reverse the rolls of Kirk and Spoc and went as far as to blow up the ship the same way as the original by tricking Kahn and activating the weapons. As far as I’m concerned he should have given the original writers credit for the story.
    The Force Awakens was ABSOLUTLY a rehash of A New Hope. I left the theater feeling Disappointed that I got duped into spending money on somthing I saw 30 years ago only with a few differences. I don’t remember if they gave George Lucas any writing credits either. I think it’s just lazy writers. I just hope they put a little more effort into the next ones. If it starts on a frozen planet I’m out.

  • shaunn

    Evan, as far as I am concerned, you are completely missing the point. But I’m not in the habit of arguing with strangers on the internet. So, let me make my point one last time and then I’m going to forget about this. Most science fiction and even science fantasy like SW has accepted the basic relativistic idea that nothing in normal space travels faster than the speed of light. In SW, that is why they have hyperspace- contrary to what you said, SW does not assert that anything travels faster than light, at least not in normal space. So, given the fact that the Republic worlds were in another star system, the visible effects of that explosion should not have been visible on Maz Kanata’s world for years – possibly centuries. This is what the whole idea of “light years” is about. This is such an obvious mistake, it will give real science nerds conniption fits for years. Indeed, it is such an egregious error that I predict it will become an issue for Sheldon Cooper in “The Big Bang Theory.” Anyway, that’s it for me.

  • shaunn

    Yes, I accept this. My complaint is about the visibility of the destruction of the planets, which is just internally inconsistent and nonsensical.

  • evanl0rd

    Ok, I’ll admit when I’m wrong. I had to educate myself on hyperspace. I take back what I said earlier. This is kind of an egregious oversight…

    Just to play the devil’s advocate now, is it at all conceivable that light could enter (and exit) hyperspace spontaneously?

  • evanl0rd

    As much as I hate to admit it, I’m actually coming around to the exploding planets complaint… I’m not going to let it ruin the movie for me, though!

  • shaunn

    Evan, that’s a good question. I don’t know. I suppose it depends on how you define the qualities of “hyperspace.” In the case of the hyperlight weapon firing at the planets, I’m just going to accept that, somehow, the FO created a weapon that either fires a force beam through hyperspace and hits targets on the other side of the galaxy or actually sends beams that travel faster than light. If the latter, that opens up a whole can of worms I would not want to get into! If the former then, in theory, sending energy through hyperspace should not necessarily be any different than sending a physical object, so I suppose it could be consistent.The question would just be opening the link into hyperspace and then the exit from hyperspace when the beam gets to its target. So let’s just assume that was part of the firing process. EDIT – just re-read Junebug’s comment below – I have not read the novel but I’ll just go with what it explains about how the weapon works. If it bypasses space and time then this thing is not even a beam of light – it’s something else entirely. I’m not even going to try to understand it at this point!

  • modok baby

    This is insanely reductive. If you boil them down to “a rebel protagonist disguised as a Stormtrooper” and “a Stormtrooper protagonist disguised as a resistance member” then yes, they’re perfect mirrors, but then you also don’t get any of the context that makes either of them work in their respective movies. One is our heroes evading capture while infiltrating a base, the other is a moral crisis that forms the basis for an entire character’s introduction.

    Also, “I’m not going to kill for them” (i.e. shoot a rounded up village of innocent civilians) doesn’t mean “I’m never going to kill anyone.” (as in, people who did wipe out a village, people who are trying to kill him and his friends, etc)

  • modok baby

    On screen it’s explained by “it looks cool,” which also works for the movie’s purposes. (To me anyway!) I mean, it’s cool that there is an explanation out there apparently, but I’m perfectly with none of the movie spent on that explanation.

  • Mike Easter

    That speaks to the gullibility of the Star Wars audience more than anything.
    When Abrams rebooted Star Trek, the audience (which is far more sophisticated) didn’t fall for Abrams hack tactics and the movies were far less successful than they should have been.

  • Mike Easter

    Face it. The film is basically a remake. A few new gimmicks here and there doesn’t change the over-arching premise.
    At least it isn’t as bad as Abrams Star Trek “Wrath of Khan” remake.

  • Joseph Colton

    The feminist SJW’s will stop at nothing until they destroy everything. They killed our families, our children and the moral fabric of our nation… And now, they’ve killed Star Wars. Jar Jar Abrams is pussy beta male bitch.

  • Mike Easter

    “And screw new for the sake of new. New is worthless if it’s garbage.”

    This statement sums up star wars and it’s audience perfectly. They don’t want anything new or good they just want to live in the past and reminisce.
    Well done to Abrams for his hack remake that has pulled in so many of the unthinking uncritical star wars fanboys.

  • penguintruth

    YOU face it. It has a story and personality of its own and restored the reputation of the franchise. You’re not as clever as you think for playing at being an iconoclast. It’s a fantastic movie all on its own.

  • Mike Easter

    I’ve faced the Abrams remake and I was very disappointed.
    Look, It can have all the “story and personality of it’s own” grafted onto the face of it but the facts remain. It’s a remake with a few things added to get fanboys like you to pour money into it and zealously defend it.
    I think Abrams is a genius for what he’s done here, he’s playing the star wars audience for fools and making billions out of it. Enjoy your rehash cinema.

  • drwiley00

    Did you miss the part where I said it had to be good? If you are equating new with good then you are not critical. New for the sake of new is garbage if you can’t execute it well.

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  • JuneBug81

    I’m not a prequel “hater.” I AM a “hater” of “hate” being used as synonymous with “less than satisfied.” There are many degrees of nuance between “being a fan of” and “hate.”

    I actually enjoyed the prequels. They did a lot of things I even frankly loved. Great world building (as one would expect of George Lucas.) The light saber duels were amazing. I didn’t mind Jar Jar Binks, unlike a lot of people. On a list of issues I had with the prequels, he wouldn’t even really be on it.

    The final duel between Anakin and Obi-wan was amazing. The pod race was a great sequence. Loved Ian McDiarmid’s performance in all three films. Loved Ewan McGreggor’s performance in all three films. Loved Qui-Gon and wish he had stuck around longer or at the very least appeared during Yoda’s vision in Episode III.

    I loved the overall aesthetic tone and “feel” of the Republic as depicted in the prequels, and I continued to love that tone and feel in the Clone Wars series, which unlike the prequels as a whole, I do actually really love. (As I do Rebels.)

    That said… I still found the films to be dissatisfying overall. I felt very little chemistry, and there wasn’t enough of a sense of verisimilitude to truly make me care about these people, other than via their association with the myth of Anakin’s fall to the dark side. I cared because I wanted to see how it happened, but how it was implemented was quite disappointing to me.

    I also felt Anakin’s fall happened much too quickly. I would have much prefered for Episode I to begin in media res like Episode IV did (or to a greater degree than it did at least,) with him already being roughly Luke’s age (or perhaps a bit younger – his Episode II age, essentially) and already knowing Obi-wan. The prequels had a tendency to over-explain everything by trying to start from such an early stage in his life. This also would have allowed us to see Vader for more of Episode III, as he could already be falling by Episode II’s conclusion.

    I REALLY wanted a whole movie dedicated to him “helping the Emperor hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights” as suggested in the originals. Not a quick choice late in the movie that completely alters his characterization.

    My biggest issue was its narrative inconsistency with the original trilogy, though. I could have overlooked everything else about the prequels had these few points at least been addressed:

    “He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals. He thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved.” He only meets Anakin once, and by then he was already a Jedi. There was never any suggestion in the prequels of a relationship between them at all other than in passing, and there was no suggestion of ideological tension between them.

    Leia remembers her mother. Unless this is some sort of Force vision, needless to say this makes no sense given that her mother died in childbirth.

    “There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me.” Yes, technically true, in that Yoda trained all the younglings before passing them off to their masters. But it was CLEARLY implied that Yoda was Obi-Wan’s principle Jedi instructor, which he certainly wasn’t. On that note, there is no mention of Qui-Gon at all.

    “Was I any different when you taught me?” Yet Obi-Wan was never depicted as reckless or impatient. Quite the opposite. And again, the inference clearly intended to be drawn is that YODA was Obi-Wan’s master. I suppose they just didn’t feel Luke needed to know about communing with an old friend who has returned from the nether world of the Force…

    The whole premise (according to Lucas) was that one could watch the prequels and the original trilogy back to back and experience a single, cohesive saga. But instead they feel logically, tonally, and emotionally inconsistent with one another. And no amount of “Well Obi-Wan is just deftly hiding the truth from Luke” can account for all of it.

    So no. I am not a prequel hater. I still watch the prequels in fact. There are plenty of things I loved about them, as I said. I was just, on the whole, let down by them. As were many. So of course when a new Star Wars film that feels more tonally, spiritually, and dramatically consistent with Star Wars as I know and love it comes along, I’m going to enjoy it more than the prequels.

    THAT SAID.. I have absolutely no objection to elements of the prequel-verse being introduced in Episode VIII and IX. Particularly as relates to the origins and mysteries behind Snoke and possibly even Rey. Why is Rey so powerful? And who is Snoke, a being who we know from the novelization has been around since at least the prequel era?

    Those are areas I would welcome some prequel tone and storytelling elements entering the fray.

    But more than anything, now that the new characters are established having had support from the original cast in Force Awakens, I want to see NEW stories featuring these NEW characters. Since they were so successful in endearing them to us.

    I don’t view The Force Awakens as a NEGATION of the prequels, OR a replacement for the originals. (I feel those who try to characterize Rey as “the new, female Luke” or Kylo Ren as “Vader lite,” miss the point of their characters.) This is a new story. I welcome it.

  • drwiley00

    He said he wouldn’t kill for the First Order not that he wouldn’t kill at all. He obviously found something worth fighting for. That’s called character development.

  • JuneBug81

    The Star Trek “reboots” were like a dagger in my soul as a lifelong Treker.

    But The Force Awakens… I loved.

    If it’s just the same story with “a few gimmicks here and there,” then why did I find the most compelling parts of it to be the new characterizations and premises it contributed to the saga, rather than the nostalgic throwbacks? Yes the nostalgia was nice and welcome, but not even close to being the things that I found most interesting, exciting, or riveting.

    A villain who wants to be evil and who is essentially the complete opposite of any dark side user we’ve seen before; rather than being seduced by the dark, he runs toward it, fearing instead being “seduced by the LIGHT.” Yet is also a broken down, psychotic adolescent internally, lost and horribly misguided. He’s not at all the “good person seduced by darkness” that Vader was, or the good person able to resist darkness that Luke was. He’s an incredibly fresh take on villainy. Someone who WANTS to be a villain. Almost a villain fanboy in a sense. Yet too flawed to be what he aspires to, and utterly enraged by that truth. Then he kills his father to try to prove he can be that villain… and still internally doesn’t feel satiated by the act. That’s twisted. That’s new. That’s refreshing.

    A Luke Skywalker who is NOT heroic. Who did not “pass on what he has learned” successfully. Who felt shame at failure and fled into exile. That was also unexpected. And the look of guilt, burden, and borderline fear on his face when Rey finds him was pitch perfect.

    A heroine who is for reasons not yet explained arguably greater in Force potential than even Anakin Skywalker, and who was abandoned on a harsh world, rendering her unbearably lonely and longing, yet undeniably endearing and heroic at the same time. By people yet to be identified, thus giving her a rich mysterious past just waiting to be explored. That stands in fairly stark contrast to Anakin or Luke’s story.

    A Han and Leia who failed to restore the galaxy to peace and prosperity after ROTJ. That was also unexpected and against the grain of the happily ever after ending implied in the original trilogy imho. A broken marriage stemming from a son who is, evidently, completely mad.

    A storm trooper who renounces his allegiance to the First Order because his conscience simply won’t allow him to be party to slaughter. That’s an interesting idea for a character too.

    A mysterious dark force who is NOT, we have been told, a Sith Lord, who clearly also has a mysterious past of his own, and who has been around since at least the prequel era, and has some connection to an equally mysterious group, the Knights of Ren.

    All of this begs so many questions, and builds such strong and ample avenues for future storytelling, and it all goes SO much further towards holding my attention and interest than any of the throwback nostalgia in the film.

    You say the superficial face of the story is these new elements, while at its heart it is a remake of ANH. I would argue that the superficial facade is in actuality the nostalgic throwbacks to the original trilogy (not just ANH, but also Empire and even ROTJ to a degree,) whereas the actual MEAT and SUBSTANCE are comprised of all these new elements. They succeeded in making me care more about Star Wars than I have in ages… about NEW CHARACTERS and plot threads that are only tangentially related to the original trilogy.

    You are entitled to your opinion and I can respect it. But needless to say, for all these reasons, I profoundly disagree.

  • Accessdenied

    Trying to defend what you did “intentionally” and not giving what the audience wants (in this case doesn’t want rip-offs & recycled stuff) makes you one shitty director.

    Your sole purpose as a director is to create a movie to entertain the audience that pay to watch it. And not to simply create a movie “you think is right” .

    You failed JJA.

  • goonninja87

    If you talk about Kylo Ren the same way you talk about vader there is something wrong with your perceptions of Vader. Vader was the terror of the universe. Ren was a terror for about 5 minutes until he removed his helmet and apparently powered down to an emo on the verge of cutting his wrists. Fin is a good character (although it makes no sense for him not to be force sensitive and if they do go down that route of him not being force sensitive it will be an enormous plot hole for me)

    I enjoyed TFA enough and there’s a few little complexities in the story that you have to rewatch to catch that make the story better. But TFA is a reboot of ANH. And it’s clear they did that to guarantee success, which is fine but it’s cheap and lacked the courage to create something new and true greatness. The prequels at least tried, they may have failed in a few ways (poor casting and Jar Jar binx mainly)

    However I found if you skip all Jar Jar scenes the prequels are just as good as TFA. I never understood the hate for the prequels. They weren’t as good as the original trilogy but at least they were original and told an interesting story. And frankly if the original trilogy hadn’t been made first I’m sure the reaction to Anakins decent into madness would have altered peoples perceptions of the movie. I’m kind of ranting herer.

    But I guess my end point is TFA had a lot of potential to be instantly epic. Instead Disney and Abrams went for the softball and played it safe. IMO they kinda ruined the experience for me. Plus the awful charcter Rey is about as painful to deal with as Jar Jar. I’m a loner on a junkyard version of tattooine but then I’m drawn to this random ex stormtrooper. I have heard of the millenium falcon yet still call it a piece of crap, then I cry a lot and then all of a sudden I’m a full fledged Jedi from out of nowhere.

    There’s some hints in the movie to better explain her origins and character, but they will need to do it will to salvage the disaster that it looks like right now.

  • goonninja87

    You do understand what a lightyear is right? It’s the distance that light takes to travel in one year. So traveling at light speed it takes one year to travel one lightyear.

    But then comprehending the size of space compared to light speed was never a strong suit of star wars.

  • majigoxirri

    I am sure everyone will agree when I say this film is a very good film,
    I’ve watched this film twice in http://megashare.com-dl.ooo/yVhiR

    I even had to download it there. you will regret it if you do not watch this film

  • Alexander Golmen Berg

    Same here. For all its faults, I still enjoyed it. Just wanted it to be perfect

  • evanl0rd

    To be clear, I wasn’t saying that I consider Kylo Ren and Darth Vader to be the same. The point I was trying to make is that I feel they’re both equally legitimate characters in the Star Wars universe. I have trouble accepting that Jar Jar Binks is… And meesa gonna have to disagree that Rey is as painful to deal with. Yes, Rey’s progression was a bit rushed and maybe she wasn’t as fully-developed as a character as she should have been, but I didn’t find her irritating at all. In fact, I found her as relatable as any character in the original trilogy. Jar Jar’s dialect and constant slapstick comedy and Anakin’s constant whining on the other hand were deal-breakers for me in the prequel trilogy. I found it nearly impossible to relate to any of the prequel characters, including Obi-Wan and Yoda.

    And as far as I’m concerned, if the original trilogy wasn’t made first, the world would have a single Star Wars movie and no one would care about it.

    EDIT: Actually, if TPM had been made in 1977, it could have been a success. Why? Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman had not yet been born, so they wouldn’t have ruined it. And George Lucas wouldn’t have had access to CGI technology, effectively eliminating Jar Jar in the form we currently know him.

  • Cypress Van Horn

    I’m saying it surpasses all previous Star Wars films. Yes, it is a reboot of A New Hope. At first it bugged me a bit. But it also bugged me in Return of the Jedi, they once again destroy a Death Star. Come on, something new please? But this is the start of a new series for a new generation. And the acting in the originals was abysmal. I would have loved to see them do a total series reboot starting with episode 1, keeping the mystery of Darth’s relationship to Luke until the appropriate time. We still don’t really know anything about Rey’s backstory. Maybe she is Luke’s daughter?

  • evanl0rd

    Oh, thems fightin’ words. We Star Wars knuckle-draggers don’t take kindly to you fancy, sophisticated Star Trek types comin’ ’round these parts.

  • appleforaface

    What’s this Star Wars stuff?

  • Bubsy54

    I agree with you, but for some reason, people don’t get it.

    Science really has nothing to do with it. It is the fact that you can even see individual planets in the sky from that far away. We are talking planets in another solar system. From the distance they were from the other solar system, the planets would be too close together for the characters to look up and see individual planets being destroyed in the sky. Forget about the fact that the light takes a long time to reach the planet, if they were to look up and see the explosions, it should be a single, small blip in the sky.
    Imagine you look up in the sky at night on Earth and you see a star that possibly has planets. Those planets then explode, if we were to see that explosion, we wouldn’t be able to see multiple planets exploding since the distance is so far, everything would just be a dot. This does not fit with the eternal logic of the movie universe and it isn’t nitpicking, it is really dumb. I loved the movie, but this scene took me out of it for a few moments as I was thinking WTF

  • goonninja87

    Strange, you decry Jar Jar and then use the word meesa.

    I agree with your assessment of Jar Jar completely, not only was his character completely useless to the storyline he was insufferable the entire time. Disagree with your judgement of Natalie Portman though I thought she did a fine job. I also think a better actor than Christensen would have done better to relate the character of Pre-Vader Anakin to us. It just looked like Christensen was trying too hard to show us Vader in his performance.

    but yep definitely disagree with your assessment of Rey. How on earth is she relatable. She’s a preppy girl power loner on a junk planet. There is literally no single person in the world with that personality and background. Who can relate to that. People with that kind of background are much more simple and humble, not entitled and self centred like she came across. And you want to talk about constant whining look no further than Rey.

  • Andrew

    I agree. Abrams points out the Star Wars story itself is already an accumulation of the great stories. It’s original success was it’s twist to the classic, namely setting the story in a futuristic and spiritual galaxy at war. Episode 7 parallels Episode 4 so the twists stand out all the more. For me, the most important twist is that while Luke’s offer of redemption is accepted, Han’s is violently rejected. Now introducing the harsh reality that peace can be rejected, it further emphasizes the same themes that we should love our enemies anyway: http://asyourpoetshavesaid.com/when-love-doesnt-work/

  • Davi Viana

    Do you understand that this is a movie and there is sound in space?

  • David Sarnecki

    He’s essentially using a ton of words to say a whole lot of nothing. “I didn’t have any new ideas, just like with Star Trek where I loosely made the Wrath of Khan twice.” *shrugs*

  • David Sarnecki

    He does what plagiarists do, and what you’re defending. He took the rebel dressing as a stormtrooper saving the princess and flipped some things on their heads so that the whole didn’t look EXACTLY like the original while still just basically stealing the original. He does this in TFA again and again and again.

  • zombietag

    love how people are mad that JJ remade a movie from almost 40 years ago, but we’re cool with spider-man getting rebooting in the MCU in less than 10 years than the second reboot.

    FORTY YEARS PEOPLE. that’s way past due to get some new spins with a familiar flavor

  • JuneBug81

    While I don’t feel the same way, I can understand where you’re coming from. I felt that way about the film Lucy. I couldn’t get over the nonsensical idea that simply “using all of the human brain” would give someone the abilities it did.

    I can overlook the myth that we don’t already use all of our brain itself. I can suspend disbelief to that degree. And I can see it giving her greater reflex speed, response time, intelligence, accuracy, accuity, etc. But why would using all of our neurological capacity grant the ability to time travel and shape shift. What does that have to do with the brain?

    So I guess there are just certain things that ruin suspension of disbelief for certain people. For me, seeing it happen in real time was the only way to convey in a visual and dramatic medium that they were aware of the event, in an economical fashion. That and, we’ve seen things like reports from probe droids in real time or near real time from star systems away in the other SW movies. So I just sort of automatically accepted it.

    But if for you this was a Lucy-esque thing, then I can see that.

  • http://adventuringthroughgames.siterubix.com Jonathan Davies

    It’s a SIMILARITY. Not exactly the same thing. So what? Doesn’t detract from that much from the film overall. It’s not as though the original trilogy films were shining beacons of masterful writing either.

  • http://adventuringthroughgames.siterubix.com Jonathan Davies

    “Basically stealing” is not the same as stealing. Implying that J.J. Abrams a plagiarist just because he used many similar ideas and themes is beyond ridiculous. I do partially agree, in the sense that The Force Awakens felt a little too similar to the original Star Wars, perhaps to the point where it felt a bit like fan fiction at times. But it’s still an entertaining movie. It’s just sad that people like you want to blow its flaws out of proportion.

  • shaunn

    That’s a great comparison. I saw “Lucy” and I was able to suspend my disbelief, even though I know that the old idea that we only use 10% of our brains has been disproven for a long time. I had less problem than you with the time travel, etc. I gathered that the point was something along the lines of “if you can understand everything then you can control it” – a kind of “knowledge is power” thing. But, of course, you are completely correct in seeing that the whole premise had virtually no scientific support. For me, as I’ve said above, the problem is more one of internal consistency. Once SW established it is a universe in which the speed of light matters, then flagrantly violating its internal logic just bugs me enormously! I guess I’m like a typical nerd comic fan in that way – I can accept all kinds of things that have little to no basis in scientific fact so long as I understand what the rules of that particular universe are supposed to be. But once you go back on your own rules, everything starts to fall apart.

  • David Sarnecki

    It’s sad that people like you aren’t willing to be honest with yourselves until months or even years after the fact.

  • JuneBug81

    I can understand and respect that as a fellow “typical nerd” lol. I think the truth is certain things just don’t “feel” right to our brains. We’re very particular. :P And what those things are vary from person to person. It’s all good.

  • kilgoretrout56

    Yeah and the BIGGER death star destroyed by a few rebel troops and the completely lame Bar scene x2 were new ideas as well… Put down the happy pipe, its destroyed your ability to be rational

  • dirtmound

    There’s a level of idiocy that comes from claiming $1.5 billion is just from Star Wars fans.

    You can disagree with what’s popular, but then, you’re wrong.

  • goonninja87

    What? What does sound have to do with it.

    And yes I understand it’s a movie, hence why I said comprehending the size of space was never a strong suit of star wars.

  • Davi Viana

    It doesn’t want to be realistic or scientifically accurate in any way, hence there is sound in space, levitating objects, spaceships with sails.

  • goonninja87

    I was never addressing the movie. I was addressing your explanation that because the beam warped to light speed it now makes sense.

  • CDurrr

    Learned of this article from RedPillPhilosophy. This is a very lame excuse. I don’t say this lightly, but I wish a plague unto this hack’s house, so that he and his progeny will never darken cinemas ever again (just got over the top there). This movie has ruined past and future Star Wars films. None of the events or characters in this movie makes sense in the Star Wars universe and if I need to watch the next movie for it to make sense with all the inconsistencies and plot holes, then fuck you Disney! I’m not buying. Star Wars is dead to the celebration of its fans.

  • Faramir

    I agree. What a load of bull. Why not just re-release Star Wars a New Hope? Not surprised as he re did wrath of Khan with his star trek gambit.

  • Faramir

    Oh of course he will trash the prequels, which I thought were quite good.

  • Faramir

    Cant believe this hodge podge is number 3 in all time box office?

  • Daniel Smith

    Good first point but there’s nothing wrong with killing nazi soldiers. I say this as a pacifist.

  • Daniel Smith

    I feel your misinterpreting Finn – he was rebelling for reasons of morality – the massacre of innocent villagers was repugnant to him and he refused to fire on them. Thus he really was breaking Poe out “to do the right thing”. Poe couldn’t comprehend it and they had to GTFO of there so Finn just agreed that he was doing it for selfish reasons.

  • Daniel Smith

    i completely agree.

  • Daniel Smith

    “People with that kind of background are much more simple and humble, not entitled and self centred like she came across.”

    You are wrong. E.g. Finn gets dragged off by a rathtar and Rey is filled with compassion – she can’t bear the thought of him being hurt, so she shouts and runs after them, even tho it was really dangerous. Then, instead of claiming the credit for saving him (by telling Finn she closed the blast door) she humbly says “that was lucky!” These are the actions of a noble Jedi.

  • Daniel Smith

    yeah i liked them. I like TFA more tho.

  • Daniel Smith

    lol you tell him cletus

  • Jarnunvosk

    You misunderstood my point. Finn is fleeing the First Order because he no longer believes in them, so yes, “because it’s the right thing to do.” But he’s breaking Poe out because he needs a pilot. If he hadn’t needed a pilot, he’d have left Poe behind. After all, Poe is the guy that killed his friend at the beginning of the movie.

  • goonninja87

    And running away like a scared infant because you got a flashback from touching a light sabre? Constantly whining and being so bitchy that you complain about a guy grabbing your hand when he’s literally trying to pull you away from laser fire. Ah yes super noble.

    Yeah no sorry but one brief stint of humility doesn’t magically redeem the rest of the terrible writing, so no I’m not wrong.

  • goonninja87

    Come on, it was a remake 100%. Subtle differences/mirrors are part and parcel with remakes. Let’s just run through the plot devices and see if anything sounds familiar.

    Loner on a desert planet who doesn’t know who her father is and ends up being a Jedi.
    Rogue pilot gets secret data map and stashes it in a droid that the evil empire… i mean first order is desperately looking for.
    Maverick with a chip on his shoulder and loner team up together and wind up in a bar full of crazy aliens and weird music while trying to find a ride to alderan I mean some other planet that looks just like alderan to meetup with the rebellion I mean resistance.
    Loner finds an older gentlemen who knows about the force who sort of becomes an adoptive father and helps her to overcome her fears and become a jedi to defeat the emprie, I mean first order.
    The empire, I mean first order, led by Darth Sidious, I mean Lord Snoke, and his apprentice Darth Vader, I mean Kylo Ren, are building a super large battle station that can destroy planets called the death star, I mean Star Killer.
    The rebellion, I mean resistance, figure out a way to destroy the death star, I mean star killer, by using X wing fighters to bomb a small part of the death star, I mean star killer, after Luke and his team, I mean Rey and her friends, disable the shields.
    Darth Vader, I mean Kylo Ren, kills obi-wan kenobi, I mean Han Solo, right in front of Luke, I mean Rey.

    At the end Luke, I mean Rey, travels to degobah, I mean Scotland, to see Yoda I mean Luke to learn to become a Jedi.

    After this recap, you didn’t find it to be a remake? Even Abrams himself admitted that he wanted to create a star wars that allowed the new generations to experience what previous generations experienced with the original trilogy. Basically he plagiarised the fu.k out of it.

  • Daniel Smith

    Star Trek (2009) was successful – it has 8/10 on IMDB from 0.5 Mvotes. It made money. It just wasn’t as vastly lucrative as TFA.

  • Daniel Smith

    THERE’S A HAPPY PIPE!? WHY DIDN’T ANYBODY TELL ME?

  • Daniel Smith

    Accept it – what she did was totally heroic. Your just going to ignore it because your unreasonable. I am so much better than you.

    The vision was a MAJOR hallucination involving a lot of dead bodies the whole floor/ceiling collapsing and a Dark Jedi. Of course she got scared. As if you wouldn’t? don’t be a keyboard warrior

    She just didn’t want some random stranger off the street holding her hand.

  • goonninja87

    Why should I accept nonsense. The fact that you have to claim that you are “so much better than me” shows your arrogance and pigheadedness.

    As well as the fact that you can’t come up with a logical response to my critique without resorting to petulant childish behaviour. You’re a clown and a stupid one at at that.

    I find it funny that after displaying true keyboard warrior behaviour you then accuse me of being a keyboard warrior because I accurately stated that abandoning people who are relying on you because of a hallucination spooking you is far from heroic or noble.Nothing you’ve said changes that fact.

    Again that “random stranger” was pulling her out of harms way. Where exactly is the nobility in putting both of you needlessly in danger because of an inflated sense of self importance that you feel your hand cannot be touched by someone trying to save your life.

    Put simply she’s prioritising her own comfort over both of their safety. That’s not nobility, that’s arrogance and idiocy.