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‘Supernatural’ EP Explains Lucifer’s Return, Weighs in on Season 12

Lucifer (Mark Pellegrino) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) on "The Devil in The Details," tonight's new episode of "Supernatural."

Lucifer (Mark Pellegrino) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) on “The Devil in The Details,” tonight’s new episode of “Supernatural.”

In the “Supernatural” winter finale, “O Brother Where Art Thou,” things quickly spiralled out of control for Sam and Dean Winchester (series leads Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles). Dean sought to kill the omnipotent Amara, but was instead mesmerized in her presence. Meanwhile, Sam, with the help of Crowley and Rowena, brought a confined Lucifer to hell in order to grill him for information about the new big bad — yet the mystical cage serving as Lucifer’s prison had been damaged when Amara was released and Sam soon found himself trapped in it as well.

Now, Lucifer wants Sam as his vessel again — even if he has to torment and torture Sam to get it.

Ahead of tonight’s midseason premiere, “The Devil in the Details,” “Supernatural” executive producer Jeremy Carver spoke to SPINOFF about Lucifer’s surprise return, Sam’s dire circumstances and Dean’s connection to Amara. In addition, Carver weighed in on the possibility of a 12th season.

SPINOFF ONLINE: How long have you waited to bring Lucifer back — and why was now the right time?

Jeremy Carver: With Lucifer, we have a wonderful combination of a great character played by a great actor like Mark Pellegrino. You are always going to look for any possibility to bring him back. By introducing this element of Amara — who is God’s sister — rising again from where she was hidden, it begins to reopen the landscape for archangels in terms of who really has the power to stop her. Lucifer, in wanting to insert himself into this battle, makes perfect sense to us from a story standpoint.

Castiel (Misha Collins), Dean (Jensen Ackles) and Lucifer (Mark Pellegrino) on "Supernatural."

Castiel (Misha Collins), Dean (Jensen Ackles) and Lucifer (Mark Pellegrino) on “Supernatural.”

Viewers immediately noticed the absence of Adam and Michael in the cage. Is this the same prison from Season 5 or an alternate version?

It’s the same one. The absence is explained a bit more in Episode 10. The focus is really on Lucifer, but the cage you saw, you didn’t see all of it. There’s no reason not to think that someone else isn’t in there. But, when Lucifer is brought to this cage in hell, then it’s solely Lucifer.

Sam is currently trapped in the cage with Lucifer. How bad do things get for him?

The easy way to do this would be for Lucifer to pummel Sam into submission. I think Lucifer is smarter than that and has another way of going about things, which is to persuade Sam to see things his way. He can make a very persuasive argument.

Meanwhile, Dean is busy making out with Amara. How does feel about that development and his uncanny connection to her?

We’ll see in the second half of the season that Dean is not happy about it. It’s a question of Dean having to figure out how to overcome or deal with what he sees as a weakness, which is how he is around Amara. The interesting part comes when he has to decide how to tell the ones around him that he loves the most what is going on. He has to make a decision whether to keep it a secret or not. It’s a big moment for him to share his greatest weakness with Sam.

Things don't look to get much easier for Sam when "Supernatural" returns tonight.

Things don’t look to get much easier for Sam when “Supernatural” returns tonight.

Amara opens up and shares some of her history and views on God with Dean. Not much is known about Amara, so what does he do with all that information?

Everything Amara is saying is further insight into what she ultimately wants. As you said, no one knows anything about her. What we’re hoping to do here is to bring this character, this entity Amara, into a fully-realized character. She may be known as “The Darkness,” but there’s a lot more going on. There’s a lot more built up frustration and sibling rivalry and resentment. Episode 6 and 9 were all building blocks in terms of building what we hope is a pretty complicated character who may be pegged as the big bad, but, by the end, folks may be empathetic towards her.

Crowley attempted to groom a young Amara until he realized she was a loose cannon. Lately, he’s been teaming up with the Winchesters. What is his agenda now and whose side is he on?

The question of agendas and partnerships is something that is constantly coursing through the back end of the season in that it’s very twisty and turny. We have several people here — not just Crowley, but Rowena as well — who are nothing if not political animals. As they see the winds change, their alliances will change as well. That’s part of the fun of the back half of the season.

“Supernatural” typically ends its season with a cliffhanger. Are you approaching this year’s finale as a season finale or series finale?

Our mindset is definitely a season finale. We’re not done telling the Winchesters’ story yet.

“Supernatural” returns at 9 tonight on The CW.

Comments

  • Cheryl Jones

    the shows keep getting better and better.

  • John

    Glad to see Lucifer back.

  • Heather

    You may want to fix the caption on your first photo, unless Misha’s stealing Jensen’s identity. ;)

  • Heather

    You may want to fix the caption on your first photo, unless Misha’s stealing Jensen’s identity. ;)

  • Lucifer One Liner

    Best line tonight: I move to LA, solve crimes.

  • silver

    This season in nothing more than a badly remade redux of season 5. Talk about creatively bankrupt. And no, I’m not watching it anymore, since I’m sick of Lucifer. He had his day, now he’s back because Carver and Singer haven’t got one iota of original thoughts between them, and when they do, as in the Purgatory scene, Demon Dean, now Amara, they ignore it, kill the story, and go back to the done and boring.

  • silver

    These guys probably don’t watch the show either. Been there, done that, don’t need the replays.

  • Charismoon

    I was thinking the same exact thing lol. Had to come down to the comments and see if anyone else noticed it XD

  • Darth Randall

    It feels more like they’re trying to fix season 6-9’s mistakes and bring it back to it’s roots.
    I really like where the story is going, but it will never touch seasons 1-5

  • chris

    I should take your temperature! LMAO this episode was AMAZING!

  • sammygirlbitches

    I freaking love this show but I’m not sold on Misha doing the Lucifer thing. Padalecki?? Absolutely. Kid’s got major chops. Pellegrino??? Please do I even need to go there?? He IS Lucifer. Collins?? I still cringe at his supposedly “dark” Leviathan thing. That was just embarrassing. I love Misha and I know people will think I’m being a hater but not even close. I just don’t see him pulling this off. Caa is his forte. He is his baby. I’m not comfortable with him playing Lucifer. Maybe he can change my mind.

  • mel

    That was a jab at that FOX show coming out, right?

  • Cooper

    Genuinely cannot wait for Dean to break the connection and get rid of Amara. I wanted so much more for the darkness, so just having her snog him and say they’ll be together forever is disappointing. She strikes me as a whiny kid with a crush rather than an ancient entity, so really.. sigh.

    But this episode was amazing! I don’t even know where to begin, but–wait, no, yes I do. Spoilers ahead. Misha absolutely KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK playing Lucifer. Like.. holy crap, he did such an amazing job, and his portrayal is spot-on. He blew my mind tonight. Totally nailed Pellegrino’s distinct mannerisms and speech patterns.

    The guys will save him – of course they will, because Cas is family.
    In the extended preview that came out yesterday, Sam even said “Dean,
    we’ll get him back. We will.” So that makes me think the guys will
    realize what happened next episode and then work to save Cas and put
    Lucifer back where he came from. They will prove to Cas that what
    Ambriel and Amara said wasn’t true. He’s NOT expendable; he’s a hero,
    just like they are, and they care about him.

    I knew as soon as he asked Rowena about the cage that she was a goner
    – which is too bad, because I actually really like Rowena, but I knew
    it was coming. So that leaves Crowley to probably be locked up in hell
    by Lucifer before he goes back to earth. I also really want to know what
    affected Amara after she branded Cas.. did anyone else notice that? She
    was fine, then she touched him and went woozy. I’m interested to know
    why.

    Okay, yeah, I have a lot of feelings tonight but I am positive that the guys will find a way out of this. Like Dean said in the promo yesterday, they’re going to save Cas, ice the devil, and defeat the Darkness. In that order. And Cas will be by their side again, as he should be.

  • Skinner

    Misha plays multiple characters better than any other actor on the show. His performances are nuanced with little details to the point where I can look at a screen shot and tell the difference. Leviathan!Cas was phenomenal and worked much better than the actual Leviathans as a big bad. I also loved how Misha differentiated the Levi in full control from the eerily calm good intentions gone bad of God!Cas when some twisted version of Cas was still steering the ship.

    Already he has Pelligrino down cold, even more on point than Jared though Lucifer was probably his best work on the show,

  • sammygirlbitches

    Yeah as much as I love Misha I’m going to have to hit the bullshit button on that. You’re basically saying he’s the best actor on the show?? Really?? Number one there is no other Lucifer other than Pelligrino. Misha’s Lucifer is like Misha’s leviathan on steroids. They’re basically the same damn guy except one is more powerful than the other. “He plays multiple characters better than any other actor on the show”?? To quote souless Sam “Is glitter in the glue you’re snorting??’ His multiple is exactly 3. Leviathan Cas and Lucifer Cas. Are you counting attack dog spell Cas?? Spoiler alert that was Cas except he was conflicted. I can’t help but notice a lot of Cas fans are like Trump supporters. They see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. The truth right in front of them is changed to fit into their reality. The LA Times said that Misha is lucky to have gotten the role of Castiel. They called him “one note and stiff” They said he “phones his performances in on a weekly basis” They called him “expendable” Ironic huh?? However they said of the other 2 actors you don’t consider as talented they get frustrated cause they think they both should be doing film and “not some little show for the CW”. They called them both “extremely talented and under appreciated” Also the scene that Jared as Lucifer in “The End” was known as one of the “most classic scenes done in the show’s history” as where leviathan Cas has been called “Embarrassing and just bad”

  • Billy

    I agree Randall, seasons 1-5 are the best seasons of the series hands down.

  • Billy

    Sammygirlbitches, just thought I’d point out that he has also played, Jimmy Novak and “God” Cas. I do not agree with Skinner however, on MANY of the points made.

  • sammygirlbitches

    I’m not hating on Misha. I’m just sating that saying he played multiple characters better than anybody else on the show is absolute bullshit. He has played fewer different characters. He’s also not the “most talented”. When critics from one of the largest publications actually says that he gets “frustrated that both Jensen and Jared are still doing this little show for the CW when they both should be doing film” and “Misha although likable comes off stiff and redundant a lot of the time” There are times while watching Misha I feel that I’m watching the exact performance over and over again. To say though that Misha is the most talented of the whole group was absolute rubbish. Again I love Misha but I’m just being honest. I honestly think that you can’t be a TRUE Cas fan without insulting Jared. I noticed they made that little jab that Misha’s Lucifer was better than Jared’s even though the scene in The End was known as one of the most classic scenes of the series. It’s also one of Jensen’s favorite scenes. I’m just saying.

  • sammygirlbitches

    I’m not hating on Misha. I’m just sating that saying he played multiple characters better than anybody else on the show is absolute bullshit. He has played fewer different characters. He’s also not the “most talented”. When critics from one of the largest publications actually says that he gets “frustrated that both Jensen and Jared are still doing this little show for the CW when they both should be doing film” and “Misha although likable comes off stiff and redundant a lot of the time” There are times while watching Misha I feel that I’m watching the exact performance over and over again. To say though that Misha is the most talented of the whole group was absolute rubbish. Again I love Misha but I’m just being honest. I honestly think that you can’t be a TRUE Cas fan without insulting Jared. I noticed they made that little jab that Misha’s Lucifer was better than Jared’s even though the scene in The End was known as one of the most classic scenes of the series. It’s also one of Jensen’s favorite scenes. I’m just saying.